don't recall any serious movement in France, Germany or Italy calling for the return of their monarchy. Let's vote! And while we are at it, if the Scottish can vote for independence, why can't the English.
When George becomes King he'll have his sister and brother as well as his spouse and their spouses, they could all have children old enough to join the firm too.
Country cannot afford to support a bloated family whose members have freeloaded on the connections and titles for years.Charles should insist no more hereditary titles to be passed on.You become plain Mr orMrs after the present holder goes
Charles could rethink his part in the decision that Beatrice and Eugenie were not to be included in working royals.
Charles is a weak, vain, selfish ninny who can't keep his nose out of politics.He was pathetically jealous of his first wife's popularity and he was a rubbish husband. If the royal family want to become cheerleaders for Net Zero and all in favour of their subjects having a poorer, colder, worse life then let's have a Republic, because none of us need more elitists telling us to eat locust burgers whilst tucking into red wine and steaks themselves!
The Fr0gs had the right idea on how to deal with their monarchy once for all, but now they've ended up with Macaron Napoleon IV, a pipsqueak who thinks he's the emperor of F rance. Was it worth it?
All supposition, You cant predict who what and when. For goodness sake , go spout your rubbish somewhere else.
The Royals are banking on the majority of the public not believing the people who know the truth about them. It won't last long. The old 'the bigger the lie the more they will believe it,' tactic just won't work for you anymore I'm afraid.
It will be a very long time before 9 year old George takes over if the monarchy is even still there.
All supposition, You cant predict who what and when. For goodness sake , go spout your rubbish somewhere else.
What a silly way of putting those numbers together, after the King and queen it should have gone in a straight line.
George has his great aunts and uncles and their children plus his siblings. The monarchy has survived for thousands of years don't you worry lol
I agree, it's been slimmed down too much! The BRF will need more working royals even before Prince George ascends the throne. Charles has a 2 siblings, his son , daughter in-law and relatives to add to his mix of a slimmed down monarchy. Don't mean to be rude but most of them are very old. William has now no sibling or cousins in the line up as working royals to be. I foresee the Cambridges needing more working royals to help before George even starts uni. Can't rely on his siblings, they may grow up to live lives outside royal duty.
One day, hopefully in yours and my lifetime, the world will know the depth of the lies from these people. It is truly shocking, trust me.
Right now, in Spain, there are only 3 members of the Royal Family who work for the monarchy: King Felipe, Queen Letizia and Queen Sofia.
Do not blame Harry and Megan, the monarchy is NOT FLEXIBLE FOR MODERN TIMES. EUGINIE, BEATRICE, HARRY AND MEGAN, even Zara and Peter, could and should be given part time working royal roles. The monarchy is the one that wont do it. So they have old people, who no one really cares about seeing. The firm is not very bright when it comes to selling themselves.
Supporters are always saying Camilla was Charlies one true love. If that's so, would you not want to have a child with you're "one true love"? I would bet that Camillas children are actually Charlie's children. They were having an affair with each other throughout their marriages. AP Bowles was obviously just their wingman (he was invited to the coronation). Don't be surprised when Charlie starts dishing out titles, lordships etc etc to all his real "family" soon. I'm sure they will help out too, they already did so at the coronation.
It's amazing how much George looks more and more like Kate the older he gets. All three children were beautifully behaved and looked adorable.
To do WHAT exactly ? The term working royal is surely made in jest? They will also have fewer duties as more Commonwealth countries realize they don't want them
What a load of tosh! Plenty of younger royals available that I am sure would help if they are paid a salary, Beatrice, Eugenie, princess Anne's kids or they just do fewer engagements and, Charlotte, George and Louis will come of age and be supported by William and Catherine.
HOW STUPID IS IT TO HAVE A MONARCHY!! HOPEFULLY IN THE NEAR FUTURE THIS OUTDATED C**P WILL BE GONE FOR GOOD. I COULDN"T STOP LAUGHING AT ALL THEM PLAYING DRESS UP AND CARRIAGE RIDES THE PAST WEEKEND.
I said that the other day, that the majority of them will be in nursing homes in the next 5-10 years. It will just leave a working Royal family of 6. Cause George will be to young. There will be nobody left to help Charles if he lives as long as his parents never mind William or George.
Do all those ribbons really need to be cut? Hospitals open well without a minor royal saying it's now open. Still unsure why Edward and all the letters after his name and all those unearned medals was asked to open the brilliant Ashgate Hospice. I very much doubt he offered to help you n the kitchens or take the meals round.
There may not be a monarchy by the time George's turn comes around. And while I am not necessarily a republican, a feudal anachronism like this serves no useful purpose in the British Isles or elsewhere.
The no shortage of royals to do work, only a shortage of " work" for royals to do. Unless you count unveiling and waving as work.
Couldn't they have an equal number of republicans volunteer to attend the events for food and champagne and then compare the value added at the end of a year.
Very good points. At last someone is addressing this. Princess Alexandra has been retired for years, so there are only 9 working royals next to C&C in the photo. Even more pressing - who will be there to support the Waleses when the older generation is no longer there? In ten years, their children will only be 19, 18, and 15. W&C will have to enlist their cousins, or there will only be a few people to handle the over 3,000 patronages.
I think Princess Beatrice should have a role, if she wants it. She seems lovely and has never put a foot wrong. It's completely unfair to disqualify her because of her awful parents - quite the opposite in fact, as she seems to have turned out very well in the face of huge family difficulties. All of this applies equally to Eugenie, but I'm not sure if she would want the role given her loyalty to the Sussexes. But if so, I think Beatrice and Eugenie would be wonderful working royals. They seem so mature and well-behaved. And they were born princesses - what more could you want!
They should all do what Camilla does. Everytime she gets a tedious assignment she gets Covid and goes into hibernation.
Whether in the future it is a large or small "working" monarchy, it will be largely irrelevant. By the time Charles goes (if he has another 20 in him) all those teenagers and early 20 somethings of today who will be going into middle age as tax payers having had predominantly zero interest in monarchy all their lives, will be asking some petty searching questions as to what relevance or purpose do these people actually serve? My 'boomer' generation who are their core remaining 'fan' base will be all but gone and then who will they have left in favour of continuance? Whilst people tend to be more conservative with age, they do not become more deferential; indeed quite the reverse. It is all on borrowed time now QE2 is no more and no matter how much juggling Charles does.
there's a major flaw in this as you say 'excluding Wales and Edinburgh, well that cuts out the 4 people who will help george- his 2 siblings and 2 cousins all on his level. by leaving them out you're article becomes meaning less. It's like writing 'there's nothing to stop the north koreans from taking the whole peninsula, so long as you don't mention the US and south Korean armies.
I ve always liked Princess Beatrice and as the eldest daughter of a Duke I feel she would really contribute to a role in royal life I believe shes also close to the King too
"To date, the Waleses appear to have approached their increased workload with dedication and ease"... Workload? Sorry. You've lost me there.
I'm still absolutely FUMING that Harry and Meghan were cynically edited out of the Royal Coronation group photograph. It's blatant discrimination, pure and simple.
I would bet that Camillas children are actually Charlie's children. They were having an affair with each other throughout their marriages. AP Bowles was obviously just their wingman (he was invited to the coronation). Don't be surprised when Charlie starts dishing out titles, lordships etc etc to all his real "family" soon. I'm sure they will all help out. They already did at the coronation.
It's SOMEWHAT a shame (I know - I know - not everyone will agree) that Bea and Euge have been placed in the chiller. They are loyal to the crown and could help out a lot. But their dad sort of ruined THAT for them. And M just plain ruined a lot as well. Always having to be mindful of her lurking in the background and so you have a lot of hand wringing as a result. If only.....
The duke and Duchess of Edinburgh have two fine children, I'm sure they will do their duty just as their parents do.
Okay, so he has a brother and a sister. By the time he takes the throne, he will be married with his own children and will have nephews and nieces. Failing that his great-uncles and aunt have families - so there's a big pool to draw from (without going anywhere near his uncle and that awful actress)
What rot. Families grow, marriages are made and children born. If ALL the people currently described as "Royal Family" are retained as such, before long there will be so many, they'd fill Westminster Cathedral on their own. There has to be a "slimming down" every so often. At least we don't have the historical methods (usually involving blood and burials) any more.
If he's so irrelevant, why continue to publish articles and photos of him? He certainly isn't on the front page every day in the US, or even the back page. Forget it and move on.
Many supporters of MM have added she would have added to the RF, but has proved her and supporters are not of a calibre for to have that position. Its equivalent to all the adverts in the UK.
I agree about the King's clothes at the Coronation. Buckled shoes go with breeches NOT dress trousers. His entire outfit looked very much pantomime. Dogs embroidered on a Couture Coronation Dress is vulgar. It would not have looked so awful if the embroidery was in ivory to match the fabric - I don't think our late Queen Elizabeth would have approved. Did they really need to parade around in those crowns? Surely the crowns could have been placed on their heads for the service and then returned to the Altar. It all looked a bit Monty Pythonesque.
In a world where they could have had, and contributed so much, they are isolated and famous for being infamous. It's very sad to see they've barely moved on since 2019, despite several rebrands.
Can't think that Harry had a Plan A or Plan B . Whereas find someone very rich and famous, preferably Royalty and milk it for all it's worth was definitely the only Plan for someone.
"The Duchess must have forgotten to pack the travel iron. I'm no fan of them either, but I'm less a fan of trite phrases beloved of adult men who have never got over leaving home.
If he was clever he would have aimed for a life like Zara etc have. They have a proper private life and are still close to family and royal celebrations.
It's what I've said for ages. He's been through his nursery notes with the assistance of a TV actress, sold his story and given his interviews. What does he do now? No one is going to employ a anyone, who is incapable of keeping even basic family tittle tattle as private. Surprisingly however, they manage to keep all her family business as private. Strange isn't it?
This is the reason why Harry will never readily relinquish his titles, with all his disdain for the royal family he still clings to his titles as he is nothing without them.
"All his life, Harry explained, he had felt belittled by people questioning his intelligence".................Well that certainly gonna change anytime soon!
Harrydislikes people questioning his intelligence. Doesn't he question it? He had the best money could afford in regard to education and he barely scraped an alive in art. All the options available to him and he had no known qualification apart from woke babble which is proving to be ridiculous. Oh yes and he stance on the environment which we all can see he doesn't get dye to the private flights and gas guzzling vehicles and yes abs all the bathrooms. Yes Harry your intelligence is questionable
Harry and Meghan wanted to alter the rules of being a working royal which is not acceptable to queen who rightly was aware of the money the public were paying to keep the royal family. nicknamed the firm you have to put that into context. If you're in a job and don't want to do the role you are assigned to and your proposition to your employer is unacceptable then you have two choices. Take on the role or leave
If in the future Meghan and Harry split up, as a lot of people think will happen. She will still be the American version of royalty and will presumably keep the children. What then for Harry? Where does he go?
Harry will see and understand that the Monarchy is in a very healthy place and better off for his absence
He is still a member of the Royal Family as is all of the rest of the non 'working' royals although to be fair attending engagements etc.... can hardly be classed as having proper jobs.... cup of tea anyone ??
You only appreciate now what a brilliant job the Palace PR team did with him - protecting him and us from himself
And meanwhile his wife has elevated her celeb status from z list to b list, now joining a top celeb agency. One would be forgiven for believing he had been used.
Not only has Harry gone far too far to have a way back it seems he is incapable now of behaving decently!
I think many Brits loved Harry because he was always that little boy who lost his mum and had to walk behind her coffin. Many of us wanted to see him grow up happy, healthy and stable. I don't think he's ever healed from that trauma and this now poisons his ability to make good decisions. It's very sad.
Well he is popular and always will be. He was born a Prince and nobody will ever be able to change that....He is handsome, charming and a rebel - people on the whole like rebels....Diana was a rebel...she was adored by the public...
Harry and Megs wouldn't be able to pinpoint Sussex on a map. The people of Sussex don't want them, the title was bestowed upon them by the late Queen- Unfortunately its harder to remove that it was to give!
When he gets older he may look back and regret some of his decisions, what seems vitally important when you are younger changes as you get older. My concern for him is that if Meghan was no longer around just who would he have because hes burnt his bridges with his family.
The world should stop giving him coverage and highly paid roles, the pair should be sent to Coventry
He's still part of the royal family. His brother may shun him but a parent's love is nearly unbreakable and redemption usually an option.
Americans loved him because hes Dianas son and not like the rest of them. Nothing has changed there.
He could have gone to America and NOT stab his family in the back and they would still have been loved and respected by all. I think people would have been more understanding of their decision to leave. Instead, they were spiteful and decided to air their grievances in public. Who does that to their own family.
Why can't people leave them alone? They chose to live their lives THEIR WAY, that should have been the end of it.
They are pretty happy right now, in love, working as a team, busy as hell. Life is a blast right now.
He and his children will always be part of the Royal family - forever. He went to coronation because it was a big day for his father and it was the right thing to do not just to keep his name in the paper.
He is done over here. This weekend just shows he is not a member anyone. His titles need to be taken away now
I would assume, few read the Spare. Because there is no way, you could read that book and feel staying in a place that makes you feel second, and worthless is better than feeling loved, wanted and special to his children, I can't understand how hard that is. Just because your father is the King, doesn't make things right. PH had to accept and be happy for everyone's love no matter how he felt. Finally he finds love, and they tried to tear them apart. KCIII got it all, and truly did not care who got hurt. Leave PH alone, it's truly none of our business what he does with his life.
Very rude and disgusting headline. Everyone matters. If you lose interest in following someone as they go about life, so what? It doesnt mean there less valuable.
This is quote bonkers at this point. You're wrong, as usual. None of us CARE about the royal family but LOVE Harry and Meghan
Absolutely wrong. Most of us in the US loved his mom, Diana and have felt protective of him for all these years. We are glad he is here and he is happy. Thrilled he is away from the toxic British media, although there are still terrorizing him. Now that the coronation is done, there is no need for him to go back there, which is what he has wanted for many years.
"The Prince wanted to include his own comeback not because, as Moehringer explained, it added anything to the story, but because Harry thought it made him look clever". Well that's either untrue or completely against the whole point of the training. Having done similar exercises, the whole point is to do nothing to provoke the captors or do anything to single yourself out for 'special treatment'.
This was a very well written and informative article btw. So just a heads up and well done to Sarah Vine.
He did indeed have once a most glittering and glamorous future, but he has sold it all, along with his soul to Netflix. A sad but true travesty. I once adored him. Now I pity him and hope amongst other things he prospers in his new life as my Queen would have wanted. I fear he will die filled with regret, never mending bridges. My Queen would have wanted him to find peace. Its sad to note he never will.
I think you are worrying too hard for them. His trust fund from Princess Diana is worth 35 m. Meghan had $6 million of her own from acting sad brand endorsement. Their deal with Netflix is around a $100m. Spare is a best seller. Health insurance or security bills are not going to trouble them. If they left the UK they have to have a home, security and pay bills. What else were they going to do but leverage their story to raise money? Then create content and build a brand that involved media and products?
It is America !! We don't judge people by what family they are born to, if they are rich or poor, We judge individuals by what they stand for and what they become. Most successful people in America came from nothing. Harry is doing fine, I am guessing he will be a big success.
We still don't know if he has any talents other than relying upon accident of birth and exploiting that. In that sense, he could well prove to be just a one-trick pony.
The world cares Harry, ignore the haters. If there was a worldwide poll on whether people liked our beautiful prince and princess, harry and meghan, it would be a massive difference, the fact is, the world loves them, even if a couple of loudmouths say otherwise.
Many thanks to Sarah for making that observation on the ghastly tunic King CIII wore under his Ermine. Up until now I thought I was the only one who thught it was tacky and looked cheap.
He has served his country and was the ambassador to Invictus. He has done many good deeds in his life so far. Let's focus on those and celebrate them.
You can see the regret all over his face. Pre Markle he was fun and happy. During Markle he seems sad and less of a man , she's took him over.
He has more respect from me because he has distanced himself from the outdated institution when it would be so much easier to stick with them.
I have yet to meet a single American who cares about Royals. There was zero coverage of the coronation here. We love us some Meghan, though!
Americans fell in love with Harry because he is Diana's son. We fell in love with him again when Diana died. We grew to respect him because he is a huge advocate for the military and vets. We watched him fall in love with an American and start a family with her...we felt proud for the man he had become. Sadly, he has had to protect his wife from some cruel people who make money off her name every day. So, if Harry feels America is safer for him and his family, okay...we fell in love with him a long time ago and will advocate for him and his family if/when needed.
What I don't understand is why the people who claim to hate them never shut up about them. Give it a rest!
Plan b is to live billions of inheritance he received from the Queen. Plus, whatever his dad gives him who happens to be the king.
Agree. The Royal Family will survive and thrive sans Harry better and stronger. As for his woke pool of which he is part, there are far too many and many more interesting members than him and his wife. As for his book, it was petty and made him look pathetic. And if he really despises the Royals, give his and family titles and live a truly private life. Long live the real Royals, and traditional values.
Netflix ordered him over to the crowning thingy ...He would not be considered a ' Valid Royal ' if he had not attended ....and that's not good box office overthere .......
Actually no. We knew of him because he belonged to the royal family. No hes known as a best selling author and most importantly as one of the creators of the Invictus games. Most people in the US are happy he left that toxic family.
Could the couple just be left to fade into obscurity only a question of time anyway and better I think for every one
I'm starting to feel sorry for Harry. Meghan will take the children and he will be left with nothing
Sorry Sarah, on what planet do you think he has left the family, rather than has stepped back from royal duties....?
We've been hearing "they're finished" for three years now. This year alone, Harry's book was a massive success and a big agency has just signed Meghan. They're thriving, and that infuriates you.
There is no Plan B. This couple chose to leave the Royal family and move to California. They should be treated as ordinary folks without their Royal titles.
He's losing his looks, his hair & his royal connections very soon there wont be anything left that is useful to me me meghan
I am an American so I may not fully understand, but can somebody answer these questions: Why do the people of Sussex want these two representing them when all they have done is show disdain for the British people and insult the Royal family and their traditions? They have sullied the 'Sussex' name, correct? Why would the people of Sussex not insist their titles be taken away?
Not really interested in reading any more stories or opinions about this guy. He is a has-been and no longer relevant. His only hope was to make a fortune in his attempt to destroy the RF. it hasnt worked so shut him up and send him away.
Sorry, Sarah! Like most Americans, we cared about 2 little boys who tragically lost their mother BECAUSE of the Royal Family and the paparazzi. The RF means nothing to Americans.
Leave Harry alone. After what happened to his mother, I can understand why he wants to protect his family.
True, besides that. What has he done? He was born with silver spoon then throw his family under the bus because his wife is not happy.
Am I the only one who thought Harry's suit wasn't tailored nicely either? Jack Brooksbank's suit looked much nicer than Harry's.
Maybe the world has forgotten 1776? In case you did forget, let me remind you that Americans have a traditional disdain for royals/royalty/monarchy. In fact, we fought a war over it. For some reason, the media still attempts to push royals on Americans incessantly as if the royals and their relatives are relevant over here. We also don't care about royal titles either: 'No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.'
I have a feeling that Meghans - plan B - may not even include him. If he has lost his value he will be thrown by the wayside. Her eyes are always looking for the next opportunity.
There is a moment to let this go and maybe some news about the costs of war or a new way to freeze your vegetables.
Just more proof that the BBC can't be trusted as they are covering this up and not reporting when one of their own screws up!.
Tarry from Cardiff: maybe Charlie was having his incontinent pad changed or does he become a sanitary towel?
Just a random thought. If countries leave the Commonwealth, does their leaf get cancelled I wonder? Or stay as a memorial to the day?
This was obviously Charles' attempt at a Paul Danials trick but it ended inevitably like Tommy Cooper.
Everything annoys Charlie. A leaking pen. Having to wait 4 minutes after arriving too early at the Abbey. What a petulant little man. The Cameraman was probably checking his e-mails. The last thing I want to see is a shaky, elderly man being anointed with olive oil brought from Jerusalem at the taxpayers' expense.
The Churchy boys and girls deliberately want to keep this to themselves to elevate themselves above ordinary people. Yet Jesus dying on the cross was a very public thing apparently. So, if God was prepared to have his son die in public, why can't the people see a King being annointed in public?
The BBC cameraman was probably bored by the unending pantomime. He was checking e-mails from his girlfriend. Who on earth would want to watch a 74 year old have parts of his anatomy smeared with olive oil?
other GAF was not recording the Windsor Castle event to the end stopping it short of filming and recording the final act is another insult to the Monarch and the public who pay the license fee for this poor service they should be ashamed of themselves
I can choose if l subscribe to any other broadcaster, sky, virgin etc, but am forced to subscribe to bbc, why ???, make it subscription only, let's see how many people would choose to pay for it
Kate Adie tried to get a unique view of Gorbatchev when he arrived at RAF Brize Norton to meet Maggie in the late 80s. She sneaked away from the Press Area and headed for a roof to get a scoop. She was almost shot by security and brought back to her authorised zone. Journalists are NOT to be trusted. They think they are allowed to break the rules. They are stupid!
You have to hand it to mailonline writers: they come up with some wonderful words: anointment and last week it was coronated.
I bet that screen was to allow a 'comfort break' for an old man who's just had to sit around for ages after being jiggled about in a pompous carriage. The thing about coronations is ... they're a bit like busses.
Typical lefty behaviour , that they feel entitled to know another's secrets Envy is the lefties problem , hence why most of them speak with pure bitterness within their words Keep away from sucking lemons
'Sacred' indeed! What a load of baloney. Nothing more than a ridiculous ceremony that is designed to show superiority to the feeble-minded. Having some oil drizzled over him like a lettuce will have the same effect as all the homeopathic nonsense that he so strongly advocates. None.
This occurred on the day too. The camera briefly focused on the gap between the screens. It should have been planned just to film the congregation /choir/ decorations etc.
I have my grandmothers The Queen magazine of the corronation of Queen Elizabeth, and her annointing was held over here with a canopy.
His Majesty was absolutely right doing so. I can't believe this reporter really even tried to film this moment.
It's just to make it more interesting and privileged to give the gawpers some proper gawping but without the satisfaction of having gawped....there's is no exclusivity without the exclusion of others, but why do any of it in public anyway -- the biggest secret is there is no secret., it's just exclusion of others.
Ridiculous procedure what has christianity to do with all that pomp and wealth nothing holy about it
You'd think they picked who attend these event to represent the BBC honourably..but n. They pick a disrespectful lowlife.
Given that the whole thing looked like an am-dram production (Cheltenham Little Theatre) of Murder in the Cathdral, it's no surprise that that the lead actor threw a hissy fit.
At the very least the head of BBC should personally call the palace immediately to apologise but as usual, his silent 'wait n see' attitude hoping it will all go away shows how weak and spineless he is.
If the BBC don't sack the cameraman it will show they are complicit in his attempt to record this part of the ceremony.
This was a very bad, disgusting thing to do but I think while BBC is the pits in so many areas here I will not accuse BBC of this major gaffe because it is the fault of that idiot.
Good now for a complete overhaul of The British Biased Corporation with it immediately defunded with this journalist fired without any severance
Probably another Lefty, Woke enthusiast from the BBC. Surreptitiously take footage on his mobile then post it on social media and mock the pomp and pageantry. They're all sooooo predictable! Pleased he was spotted.
Where is the BBC outrage??. Is this true??. Why aren't the BBC APOLOGISING??. They're quick to jump on other professions aren't they??. Utter joke!!.
It's all a bit mumbo-jumbo, eh? I'm neutral on the royals because it won't make a speck of difference to my life whether they're just rich folk or rich folk with crowns but enjoyed the coronation schtick on TV because it was good showbiz and a tour-de-force from the logistics and technical angles.
That moment isnt all about the oil, it a moment between the man and his God, so good for Charles, but I bet the BBC take no action with the individual even thought he was representing them.
Some stupid comments by people who don't read further than the first paragraph. They were practicing the coronation & a BBC staff member tried to record footage on a mobile obviously to sell to the media before the actual coronation. Abuse of trust. Fire him.
What else do you expect from the disrespectful BBC, where the first B stands for anything except British!
What a disgraceful act by a privileged photographer. Imagine the money he could have made from selling photos if he had succeeded. If the people involved wanted to keep part of the ceremony private they had every right to do so.
The Daily Mirror comments must be very slim today. They've sent their best here. You can tell by the low quality of their uneducated comments.
Amazing that old sausage fingers was the only person who spotted this, more likely that he has taken a dislike to someone, another pen moment or just perhaps the colour of their skin.
How very religious, anointed before God - having himself broken one of his commandments as an adulterer.
Are we to believe it's gods will or just a bloke whose family managed to steal, plunder and kill better than others?
More DM hypocrisy. There is nothing secret about the anointing - it is a key part of the ceremony. However the King had every right to receive it in private. Does this mean DM is now going to champion His Majesty's Privacy World Tour because it hates the BBC? Of course not.
King Charles not giving the BBC a Diana moment not the first time the organisation has introduced on the RF.
That part of the ceremony is supposed to be PRIVATE - just Welby and Charles - and NO-ONE ELSE!!!!!!
The anointment is a very private and spiritual part of the ceremony, especially so for King Charles who believes in God, That man trying film the moment is comparable to a journalist spying on someone in confession with their priest in church. Totally despicable behaviour, youd expect that from a tabloid jounalist but not a representative of the BBC
Wow! Isnt it amazing that the only one to spot the cameraman lurking around was Charles!! It is a strange ceremony to me to have the King hidden from everybody but these rituals have strange reasonings and the cameraman probably wanted to be the one to know what really happens behind the screen. Such a shame he is out on his ear now.
More speculative nonsense from well placed 'sources'. Same as the article on H and did he didn't he pop in to the palace.
The cameraman knew what he was doing wasn't allowed, otherwise he wouldn't have been sneaking around and acting shiftily. No doubt, he intended to sell this footage on for personal profit. Having his accreditation torn up on the spot should be the least punishment that he suffers.
Entitled peasants who think they can do what they like. I am surprised mobiles were not banned, people just cannot be trusted when they think they can make some money.
The BBC has form for poor behaviour, should be renamed the Dodgy Broadcasting Service as they are becoming an embarrassment to Britain.
Intimate? It used to be civit oil, I won't say how it was extruded from the animal here but as Charles is woke wanted a vegan version so he was smeared in olive oil
You'd never get the DM doing that kind of thing.....according to their lip readers , sources and telecom researchers
After Bashir set up Diana I think the BBC should be banned from going anywhere near the Royal Family....
I bet the king was having a wee behind the curtain and the anointment was a rouse ;) Long ceremony without a toilet break for an old gent dont you think?
All this anointing is coming across very mysterious yet it was referred to in The Bible on occasions.
Its a case of gross misconduct and the guy should be sacked. But knowing the BBC that will not happen.
It's the vile anti-monarchy, anti-Britain, anti-enterprise BBC who must be completely defunded over their dreadful biased coverage once again.
Seems thugs, vandals, misfits and idle folk have taken over society and are demanding the right to be destructive and inflammatory. Pffft.
Bbc owned by the British government its chairman is a tory yet DM made its gullible readers that its run by the ta.liban and Diane abbot
He was probably trying to get a selfie with the king in background you know what these liberal man children are like
As with the commentators using the coronation as a platform for their political agenda, the BBC had to screw up an otherwise faultless coverage.
I thought too at the actual coronation that the cameras were being much too obtrusive when Charles was supposed to be hidden behind the screens to be anointed. Very poor show.
Sacred anointing? What a load of religious twaddle. About time we got rid of this horrible family of benefit scroungers.
Stewart Carr the writer of this piece really should read there own work before submitting. " the Kin's Coronation ? ?
Footage ready to be sold and uploaded on social media. Then to be subjected to derision and hate by left wing commentators, who hate the Monarch and anything else British.
Charles shouldn't be doing the job of the security guards, they should have spotted the BBC man wandering into forbidden area.
If royalty needs secrecy they are not fit for the role. You've all been conned yet again. The king doesn't care about you, it's all about him and his family and keeping the royal gravy train running.
What about the camera up high, that clearly would've seen inside the screens. Whilst it didn't show any footage of this section was it turned off or did they secretly film...
Whilst it's tempting to put the boot into the BBC ( love doing it), this was one idiots action. He got booted off set and hopefully booted out of his job in due course. Examples must be set BBC.
A devious lefty organisation who should be defunded. However the spineless fa ke Tor ies won't touch them
The actual signing of the marriage register is another ceremony that cannot be photographed or filmed. The reason is that there are four marriage entries to each double page of the register and photographing might infringe the privacy of the other couples. The book is then turned to empty pages and the couple pose for photos.
If the ceremony was wholesome and good for the majority there would be no "secret' part of theservice.
Someone who thinks they are entitled to take photos of a private moment and sell them to the highest bidder - what a nasty, greedy, self-serving, green-eyed society we have become. Disgusting that some people think the photographer was right. It was sneaky, dishonest, and dishonourable. In previous centuries he would have had more than his official accreditation cut off.
Yep , the entitled BBC for you ! People complaining about the cost of the Royal family should also know the Beeb costs 5.3B a year to run of which 2 thirds come from the licence fee ( tax payer ) !
Typical BBC refusing to follow the rules if it will give them a scoop - they will soon be so low they will resort to lipreading private comments.....
Good move Charles. Stand no nonsense. The BBC is getting closer to loosing it's franchise every day. The just don't know how to behave do they?
The BBC is one of the most evil institutions in the land ,given the chance they would destroy Britain completely.
But somebody still filmed a bit where King Charles was having his breast anointed. I thought it was wrong at the time. The screens are there for a purpose.
You have to laugh at the comments - any excuse to blame the BBC. The DM would have published that footage if it had the chance, hypocrite s
The BBC are an absolute disgrace. They do us down constantly. They charged GB News a small fortune for the coronation stream for their excellent coverage, although we pay for it. They even tried to block GB News from the news pool to which they distribute their overpriced monopoly streams. And how many ridiculously overpaid presenters did they have for the Concert? At least six.
Some have no shame. Charles was right. For once the BBC was right. It was a private spiritual moment
Phew kicked the cameraman out before he could catch Chuck swearing loyalty to Mammon for the riches.
The screen is there for a reason it is a moment the king commits himself to his and that is a very very private thing and has been for centuries! The king was right and the unprofessional journalist and media channel is wrong and is a systemic issue across MSN now lack of respect and low quality journalism!
Charlie having a meltdown over nothing, some poor fella will lose his job over this...despicable typical petulant Charlie.
How would the footage have been broadcast if filming were not allowed? Unless the photographer had some other agenda..
Personally I think it was a shame it was conducted in secret I think it's a lovely thing to do and yes sacred but why do it in secret?
A picture of that silly ceremony could have been worth millions from the media perspective. Obviously not paid enough by the BEEB. ! AS AN 8 year old I enjoyed the "wonder" of the 1953 spectacle, this time I'm less overawed. Thought HE just looked ridiculous. !!!
Yeah this is the bit of the service that states this is Gods choice for monarch. Make of that what you will
Why do some people think they have a right to pry into or film everything, especially private occasions, to no doubt make money.
It was not a gaffe. This is the BBC we are talking about. The sad part in all this is that they will get away with it again.
Sacred indeed, what a load of nonsense, that said the cameraman knew the rules and broke them so deserved to be booted out.
Typical lefty attitudes never minding their own business as they clearly think they are above all within society And they have all the same look , bitter and very envious
Charlzzz would have had a major hissy fit during those rehearsals and many more in the lead up to his coro. He is a very impatient creature with a very bad temper on a good day........BTW, we cannot comment freely on the Charlzzz and Camzzz taking a break in Sandringham. Why DM?
Another attempt at undermining the monarchy from within our "state broadcaster." It is clear that clearance for those in trusted positions is not taken seriously enough by the BBC. What a surprise!!
Its strange they would have a private hidden part of the ceremony. Makes you wonder what or who they didn't want people to see.
The fool was subsequently arrested for high treason and held up in the tower, while the swordsman was sent for from Calais.
How slimey of them trying film the rehearsal. They were after something divisive as per. They really are the underbelly of our country,that continue stoking an already very divided society caused mostly by msm
Some people have no respect for anyone or anything, especially that which is considered sacred and private
Oh god. Could they sink so much lower. No, not a Charles fan (I understand British history so not particularly bothered about his taking the throne), but to actually INTRUDE on a very private moment? It's like pe.......r.......X's who stick cameras under public toilet (USA, bathroom) cubicles. Thank CHRIST I got shot of them 1/3/19.
Sacred anointment....Good Lord. This is human ritual not divine intervention. This is all made up superstitious claptrap which has been passed down the centuries because humans need something to worship and are like sheep.
How stupid anyway. Okay, assuming this is true....what was the guy going to do ? Sell screen shot pix of the rehearsal of that key moment to the tabloids for 50 quid a pop ? And then NOT think anyone would know who'd taken the original picture ? How stupid was he... good they reportedly ripped up his ID on the spot.
The UK is no longer a theocratic state, why the church traditions involved and all these cross symbols must be replaced by peace ones, cross refer to gross punishment after all.
If he'd worked for Channel 4 he'd have faked them, then asked for comments! Then he'd gain great acclaim and an award!
They should have banned the whole of the BBC as punishment. Would have knocked their rating for the day
Thank god(whichever one/ones/none you do or don't believe in) that they can now get back to their separate homes, not knowing what a hard job or hard work is! Two idle people doing what they do best...... Nothing!
This is a crime against journalism and free of speech. The commoners pay for the whole thing and his majesty deprives them from even watching it on TV.
That's not a good career move - the least you can do is respect the rules & behave professionally. I suspect we have a "MUST film this" type - they suddenly appear at medical emergencies, road accidents etc. & gormlessly film, regardless of how inappropriate it is. Some, sadly, are even members of the Emergency Services!
So only the cameraman was allegedly thrown out. I would say, when you know for sure then report it. At the moment it's only hearsay. DM trying to stir the pot again.
Agree, shouldn't be filmed but why the secrecy - can't see the need to hide one's allegiance & devotion to God? Someone fill me in please.
I love the history of our shared monarchy and I love the unique and rich cultural heritage of your nation. My father once found Anglo-Saxon coins that were 1500 years old in England! Despite being smaller in area than Michigan, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland has shaped the modern world in so many ways. You gave the world the jet engine, the train, the flushing toilet, the World Wide Web, the telephone, the television, stainless steel, stereo sound, the vaccination, the lawn mower, the laptop, the tin can, the ATM. Even football, rugby, cricket and boxing was invented by you British! Then there's the fire extinguisher, the light switch and DNA fingerprinting. Britain has also produced 5 of the top 8 best-selling authors in history, as well as 5 of the top 9 biggest selling music acts in history.
Secret ceremony? Could the RF get anymore creepy? They're in a cult church, that religion was started by a RF member to cater to that RF and then it, the cult, installs the least acceptable people as head of that cult. Crazy, tribal islanders.
I noticed on Saturday that the BBC camera accidentally captured a little bit of the anointing when it filmed the crack between the middle and right screens for a few seconds.
Nothing surprises me about the UK hating BBC. They really are despicable and not worthy of the disgusting licence fee tax.
Perhaps he was acting under instructions from his bosses? We know the bar is low. They all knew about jimmy S.
I hope he abdicates. William will be a great King, not bothered with ripping up gardens to create a new garden at tax payer expenses etc. I think he would shut down all of the traditional nonsense as well and just get on as a leader in a new age. It would also suit George to have his granddad available in late late years to guide while his father is reigning. Charles is far too selfish though.
I think he will be like his Mother and carry on until the end. He waited a long time, don't think he will give it up, unless he gets sick and can't perform any duties. I think he will be a good King in the time he has left.
He has aged quite quickly of late but he's waited 74 years to get promoted! If was William being crowned though I'm sure there would be a lot more excitement around the royal family right now. However, I think it's good for William to be able to spend more time with his children while they are young and he hasnt got the responsibility of being the big boss yet!
Old sausage fingers won't last six years don't think. The Queen did him no favours by not relinquishing her crown much earlier.
When you see that they didn't do anything during their own coronation weekend, that says a lot about what's next. They didn't even find time for the people who were picnicking. They preferred to give airtime to American Idol. Big laugh.
Have you check Charles's hands lately they are starting to look like the queen's before she sadly passed away. I believe there will be another royal funeral before this decade is finished
"because they believe the myths that 'women lie',"......and isn't believing the myth that "women never lie" just as bad? How about just basing your decision as a jury member based on the evidence presented, not your predisposed beliefs?
She has no idea what his routine was that morning or the night before, I'm sure it was a late night and a very early start in the morning. No wonder he looked tired!
It's what he has wanted for decades, as is his second wife. Now they've both ended up where they are beds and lying on them come to mind. The present Monarch will not give up his life's ambition at all. More likely is that the heir and his wife will end up doing more at a far earlier age than they might expect. We will see.
He is still grieving his parents. Yes he is an older man but your parents are your parents no matter how old you are. I lost my mum and her sister who was like a second mum to me in the space of eighteen months. I am still missing them dreadfully. He may be King but this will have happened immediately his mother died and he probably has had so much to deal with and do, not least dealing with his ungrateful son and unaware brother. He has to keep going and put his pain aside. He is clearly tired and needs some time away to rest. That will happen when he goes to one of his estates for the summer. At least he's lucky enough to be able to do that. He will be fine but grief hurts, it will take time.
Your latest attempts at undermining Freedom of Speech are interesting. Publishing comments that don't follow your party line, one week after they have been made, so that they will not be read, It's a ploy worthy of Gobbels or Stalin.
Never understood why a woman who spent most of her working life championing womens causes would then take a job with one of the most misogynistic newspapers in the country.
Totally disagree. Charles has never looked better. He's really come into his own since the Queen's funeral.
If I had arrived and had psyched myself up to go in it would have thrown me to then have to wait for 5 minutes especially due to someone else's tardiness. It was especially worse with the world's cameras on him. Few people would not have found that stressful. We cab only really liken it to this happening on say our Wedding day and yes, it would be stressful and this was a much bigger and public event
Firstly, one lip reader claimed he said this What a disgusting article suggesting he will only be King for six years - it is unnecessary to speculate how long anyone has.
He is in his 70s. It was a long day for him but nothing a good night's sleep wouldn't cure. Leave him alone. He will fulfill his role as King and hopefully will retain the role until he dies thus leaving William to be able to spend time with his family while they are still young.
Utter nonsense, of course he was tired, who wouldn't be. No way will he give up the throne unless he dies.
You're about 80 and you still don't know how the line of succession works? Charles will be king until his passing, not before.
Give him a chance Jenni. He has only just been crowned our King and already you are trying to get rid of him. He has waited nearly a lifetime to become our monarch and I am sure he will take whatever he has left of his life to make the most of his position and do it admirably.
And what then?....another 100 million on another coronation which was THE biggest waste of money in the current climate.
Mycatmurphy - Old news - Harry is often called Harold because he claimed that was the nickname William had for him.
It's very simple...King Charles is protecting Prince George...Charles knows what it's like to become the heir at such a young age. He won't step down as that will make George the heir which is a role he could have for many, many years..
Many countries will become a republic therefore less travel overseas and therefore less of a work load. The king recognises this hence a slimmed down monarchy
Would be better if at least we had a democratic vote every five years over which member of the RF we want as our Monarch and a written Constitution. If not ditch the whole lot, grow a pair and organise a proper alternative to this historical ultra geriatric process thats reaching the end of its usefullness.
I say he'll give us a decade and put in place what's needed for wills to be a great king and make sure the monarchy is relevant as time goes on
Ridiculous, he can't as he's taken an oath to God and the country and is made of the stuff that won't let him even consider abdication, only older people will understand this. Harry's choices are made because of the young woke epidemic. No backbone, no self discipline, just wailing entitlement
I really don't think Charles will get to 80. It would be best to have a year as King then hand over to William, then he can have an easier life. However, what do we know. He has waited a long time. The late Queen suspected there would be trouble and carried on even with cancer. A tough well repected lady.
Its probably a bit unfair to judge Charles so soon. Yes, he is exhausted. He lost his mother, has been hounded to death by his son who has done interviews, tv programs, and a book about how horrible the monarchy is, and now he had taken over from his beloved mother. Time will tell, but to bet against him seems unfair. He waited a long time and did his duty. At least give him a fair chance.
I'm 73,couldn't cope with all they do.He looks 80 at least.I give him 3 years max then we can have William at last.
There are Nostradamus / Psychic predictions that he will only last 2 years. It will be interesting to see how long he can last.
I give him 6 months. He was warned that if he dont give the crown to william then the people will destroy the royal family. I cant wait. The queen Elizabeth was the only true ruler.
Jennifer Murray, I normally concur with your views, I am around your age with similar political leanings but I take issue with your article about the arrest of Graham Smith and members of the Republic group. We are heading down a slippery slope when the police try to silence anyone who disagrees with the majority. We do not live in China or Russia. In a democratic society voices of dissent should not be silenced.
His mother did it well into her later years Charles needs to get some exercise and vitamins into him
Jenni seems to be forgetting that Charles and Camilla do virtually noting for themselves - right down to servants putting toothpaste on his toothbrush for him....... If he goes to Australia and New Zealand he will have a bed on the UK's Government jet - he won't be slumming it in economy - working in his 70s for Charles is nothing like most people working!
Finally someone speaking the truth without trying to make this man out to be fit. He looked miserable. He should have given it to William in the first place.
Face it. If an 80 year old could do it with ease then there couldn't be that much effort needed to do the "job". Job?? What job?
Charles should hand over power to william in 5 years , and then William should hand over power to young Prince George when he is in his 40s #this ensures British subjects get a good product as king all the time
Kings and Queens rarely abdicate , its what they are built up for in their life , then think its their duty until their last breath .
Of course he looks tired. Who wouldn't? Rehearsing for an incredible pageant for several weeks, the emotion of taking centre stage at one of the most important occasions of his life, whilst worrying about the rest of his family - especially how his younger son was likely to behave; staying out and visiting so many of the celebration sites during the weekend........ I feel knackered just writing about it! I cannot see Jenni Murray managing to do even half of those things without a large g & t to hand - and he would not be able to take even that!
Thought he basically looked miserable and don't think she really wants the job either, but trapped like automata in their own gilded cages.
So be it. Some older kings have had short (but relatively successful reigns). William IV lasted 7 years and Edward VII about 9 years. And I might live to see the coronation of William V (or whoever fate might decree) in a few years.
The late Queen managed to bear up well into her 90s. The support she needed was in place - just as it is for Charles.
I hope not. He's waited all his life for this and I hope he lives long enough to enjoy it. I doubt he would abdicate anyway, he will do his duty until he dies just as his mother did.
Charles remaining on the throne will be dependent on how long Camilla lives. She's a smoker and will not out live Charles. Her death will sadly finish him off. He won't want to live years without his soul mate.
The good news for the nation is that (like his Mother before him) there is no way on earth Charles III will abdicate the throne to William.
He'd probably prefer to retire to his garden for the rest of his life and not be bothered by anyone. He's a stereotypical grumpy old best left alone.
So JM wouldn't be tired.......yeah give me a break. He's just been crowned and the speculation starts, I remember reading over 20 years ago how the Queen would abdicate. Give it a rest, push your glasses back on your nose (or get a pair that fits properly). Looking at the politicians around today worldwide give me our system any time.
Yes, Charles will be tired - understandably. Besides, he is prickly, petulant and likes things to go smoothly with the least inconvenience to him. He hasn't the late Queen's extraordinary self-discipline and stamina. She stopped travelling abroad in her mid-80s, leaving it to other RF members to represent her. Perhaps Charles will eventually do the same.
does anyone really think Camilla will allow Charlie boy to give up 110m annual salary?? that probably can only happen if William is her son
When Camilla dies he'll hand over to his son and retreat to Highgrove. She's not destined to be long lived like him. She's actually looking older.
I was so shocked at how old he looks. At this rate, he will certainly not live as long as his parents.
He will not hand it over he will cling on to it and it will have to be pryed from his dead hands, as his mother did before him
Please just give it a rest - all this speculation with unfounded assumptions! If people actually looked at history none of this is new Lets just give them a chance?
Don't be so delusional- there's more chance of me becoming King than of Charles stepping aside.....let's give him chance before we decide if he isn't up to it.....
The Queen and Prince Philip were working well i to their 90's, he won't walk away early unless he has a major health scare.
No way he will be King until death and then William will take over If you had a schedule like the kings you would look exhausted Heavy is the head who wears the crown God save King Charles
Charles may well have been very nervous at the Coronation, who wouldn't be with the world all watching, that makes you a little bit tetchy to say the least. As for the trip to Australia, my father has done it 4 times since his 80th Birthday, the last time being just 3 yrs ago at the age of 92. Charles has waited many years to be King, he will not give that up easily, we know how stoic the Queen was, even with cancer at the end.
I can't see them making a success of it either, for one thing Camilla hates flying and detests hot countries, and William wont agree to go far since he is unwilling to leave his kids, even though they have nannies. Charles may have been mentally preparing for this for decades, but he always had the Queen and Duke taking centre stage. Now he has to go it alone. He already looks overtired after the coronation and has gone to Sandringham to recover. None of that bodes well for a newly crowned king. As for William taking over, he needs to mature a lot and stop sticking his heels in over everything he disagrees with before he even begins to be ready to wear a crown.
Just another globalist N. W. O W. E. F sell-out. Also CoE is not Christian it as been infiltrated and now follows the satanic religious sect of wokeism. As a Wh, ite straight man I do not feel welcome in a CoE church so would never go to one. It's about time for a christianity to return back to its original and TRUE form. Orthodoxy and Common sense, family values and morality..
Son or no son Charles ain't giving that up without a fight, he's gonna stay until they bury him ha ha he has waited far to king for this
10 years would take its tollboth of them just wanted the spectacle of a coronation, theyre old and in afew years be limited to duties with William taking over.
Jenni, you havent been listening. Charles has a 10 year plan. So he clearly intends to be king until he is 84, at least.
I do not think King Charles would step aside unless Camilla died, then I think he would let William take over. But Charles may already have decided on a 5 or ten year plan? Another alternative for Charles and Camilla would be what the Queen did for the last couple of her years and give William the reins much more, taking almost all of his and Camilla's workload, with him, Charles only authorising and signing items that can only bear the reigning Monarch's signature.
A huge part of the monarchy went with the Queen and Prince Philip , Charles and Camilla their age , history and his poor decisions go against them .
I think the expression on his face was like his father they don't want all the fuss and I suspect if he'd had his way there would never have been a coronation.
Hi Jenny Murray. I think any man who had a son like Harry would be weary, not to mention having a death in the family so close, like I have just lost my husband. I think you do not take into consideration the efforts Charles has done over the last year with a six moth and a brother that has given him a hard time besides a daughter in law to boot.
I would be surprised if he lived as long as his parents did anyway. He has looked older and in poorer health than they did at a similar age, for quite a while now. A lot may depend on Camilla as well. Given she has not led a Royal life for most of her life, then add in she smokes like a chimney, she may not reach a really really old age either. As we saw with the Queen and Philip (and so many other couples) when one goes, often the other follows, one can't exist without the other. But I don't think he'll ever abdicate. A regency maybe, but not abdication.
He will be fine. The previous week was very busy because of such huge events. It is almost summer and time for the royal vacation in Scotland.
I like Camilla. But watching her stand at the concert and wave a flag I have to say - yes - she looked spaced out - in fact the image that came up sadly was of a care home dementia resident taking part in group activity in a care home. Like she had no clue what she was doing.
Well, my partner and I are in our late fifties, and we are slowing down, let alone being in your seventies! Alcohol and rich food wise, almost non-existent. Especially alcohol. I don't like the effects of it now. Charles looks like a big drinker, too. The puffy sausage fingers and his fatigued expression are telling. Camilla looks frail. I will definitely see another coronation in my lifetime.
I would have thought anyone would be looking tried after the stress of the Coronation process. The King wad looking much younger just days after the Coronation. This women needs to put a gag in it.
If he loves his country, he and his adulterous wife, should do a Queen Victoria and exile themselves to Osborne House on the IoW. Of course they would have to chuck all the grace n favour tenants out first, mainly retired ex forces senior stuffers. Perhaps he will do this anyway when he finds out how many are still sucking on the test of plenty that is mainly from the tax payer and his pocket.
Oh please God no! I'm hoping Charles will see me out, his prospect of living through 'The William & Katie Show' fills me with dread!
Nobody likes Charles, even the most ardent royalists. A quiet "you're looking tired, sir, perhaps you should step down?" campaign is obviously kicking off, but its advocates may be disappointed. Despite the ferocious "William for king" agenda, I think you're all going to find in time that, unlike Harry, William is a chip off the old block.
i think he will die King. I think he wants to shield William as long as possible for he has to take on the role and let William train for the role and be a family man for as long as possible
Not sure if he will reign until he dies , would like to see William and Kate King and Queen while in their early fifties .
He hasn't waited his whole life for this. He never wanted to be king. He's just doing his duties. But he will make a good king. Charlie likes walking in the Highlands of Scotland best away from it all. He said this years ago.
extraordinary genes,. more like a totally pampered life with ever illness however slight treated by experts and the rest of the country suffering with a tory run down NHS
It's a good thing that he's king because he would never pass the selection process for any real job.
Jenni, when your face is in repose you look tired. Its all down-to old age. Everything about our faces droops as we get older
I think Anne and William will be tremendous assets to Charles. Even though he has had a lifetime to prepare for the role of being King, it still has to be quite a responsibility to take on in his mid-70s following a stellar reign by his mother. QE II is going to be a tough act to follow. I hope the Sussexes do not interfere, but they will. Harry does Meghans bidding. They made the late Queens last years incredibly difficult and will do the same to Charles. William will deal with the Sussexes when he is King.
Jenny, have you lost your marbles? That's the most ridiculous statement I've heard since someone nominated Putin for the Nobel peace prize.
He will not abdicate. Yes, he looks tired and weary but within 3 years he has lost his father, his mother and has a strained difficult relationship with his youngest son who has thrown grenade after grenade at him and the RF. Charles would love to give William and Katherine more time raising their young children without the deeper responsibility of king and queen.
Think you may be right. Kings and Queens of yesteryear didn't live beyond their early to mid 80s, and didn't do the travelling and endless meetings and formal occasions of today. It's like my wife's frail parents who are in their mid 80s doing all these things, it's absolutely unthinkable
It's the only time I've seen him looking weary from press papers...he's allowed to be serious when undertaking his vows.
Can we leave them alone for a while? Don't forget, he has recently lost his mother, and that pain is no different for him than it is for anyone else. He has made king, I bet the preparation for that was exhausting, every detail pondered over at length. IM not the biggest royalist in the country, not by a long way, however, give the bloke a chance before saying he is about to abdicate. Carmilla, is his wife, Again, Im not her biggest fan, and she makes him a better more rounded person. Lets give them some time to get their heads together.
I believe he will serve everyone until his final day like our late Queen did. He hasn't waited all these years, broken history as the longest waiting heir to the throne in the UK to then hand over the duty to The Prince Of Wales before his time is complete. He has stated he has lots of matters he wishes to tend to while he has his position, and I believe he will do his best and you can't ask any one to do more than their best.
Never having to work a day in your life, being permanently on holiday, and waited on hand and foot, must be terribly wearisome. Poor chap.
The King looking tired is no doubt due to all the revelations that will now come out. Harry has been proved right in that it was other members of the royal family who leaked stories about him and his wife to the press, no doubt to detract the bigger stories about them! William in particular, and his extramarital activities. Look up Simon Charles Durante-Day. It cannot be hidden any longer!
What a mean article about The King. Most people, whatever their age, would have found his last 8 months very stressful and tiring. He's done incredibly well. I thought he looked suitable solemn and moved by the solemnity of the coronation on Saturday. He has just promised to serve the country and the people fir the rest of his life. Perhaps the writer should spend more time artfully arranging her huge scarves that she always covers her torso up with in photos.
Who cares doesn't affect anyone lives in the UK whom ever is King or Queen. Unless you work for them or are in conversations with them on a daily basis.
He will never abdicate. He may have William carry more of the load. May even make him Regent, though I doubt it, unless due to health. He will never abdicate
I believe this to be common knowledge, not an ah ha moment - 5 years and he will gracefully bow out - William, younger and with it will take over
He will follow his mother who after the Edward VIII fiasco vowed never to stand down. That issue may not be seen as so serious to us today but it most certainly still is in the RF.
Oh so you think he could get through the last few months and look good ..he lost his mother but immediately he's into the role of king ..not to say that in the weeks leading up to the coronation h3 was doing duties and rehearsals ...hopefully he'll go on til the age his mother did ...
What a thoroughly unkind and unnecessary critique of the Coronation. I thought that Charles looked solemn and emotional, and if he was tired - maybe the enormity of the occasion kept him awake the night before. Im sure the fact that he had only become King due to the death of his beloved mother was also on his mind, understandably so. Leave him alone.
I actually disagree. He is the most famous king in the whole world. It's very difficult to give that up. I wouldn't :)
He looked emotional and solemn,as the occasion demanded. Hes full of enthusiasm and vigor. This article is nonsense.
King Charles had a very different childhood to Queen Elizabeth. The future queen had her mother by her all the time and enjoyed a delightful and safe childhood. King Charles barely saw his mother; he was sent to live 500 miles away from his family and he was bullied horribly there. Those things impact you for life.
Everyone ages differently, some 40 year olds are not as fit and active as some 70year olds,it was an emotional and solemn coronation for King Charles and he must have been thinking about the late Queen.
I think he will carry on. He knows what it was like to effectively lose his mother to the monarchy, and he won't do that to his grandchildren. I agree he looks weary. The last 6 months have been a steep learning curve for him, and the unpleasantness with the Sussexes must be bewildering and deeply upsetting for him.
In youthful enthusiasm QE11 pledged her life of service. Big mistake. Now Charles III and his wife are in the unenviable position of working unfairly hard when they should be in retirement. If he lost Camilla I fear he would disintegrate. His coronation demeanour looked humble, and Camilla looked overwhelmed. Abdication after a couple of years in favour of his delightful son would be sensible and understandable.
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Completely disagree. This was a huge day in the King's life - of course he looked anxious and worn. He is committed to his role for the rest of his life.
After we have wasted 100 million on this farce he had better have an unelected tenure of longer than that.
I don't think he looked weary. Emotional and pensive, maybe, given the ceremony and weight of responsibility that lay ahead of him. Undoubtedly, William's role will increase as the King gets older but he has pledged a life of duty. I just don't see him giving up after six years.
Please dont hand it to Waitey and Rose's fella, I cant stand any of them, but those two are the worse, sly dogs.
So the tax payer will have to fork out again in a few years time? That old money tree just keeps on growing....
It was the biggest day of his life, watched by millions. I think I would look exhausted too, he probably didn't sleep much due to the pressure of the day.
We wish him good health and a long life but, compared to Queen Elizabeth at 74, he is certainly showing his years.
It's a shame that Anne didn't confront the demonstrators herself - now that could have been SERIOUSLY entertaining. I think she's brilliant.
He would scale back his duties, Delegate to other members of the family he would never abdicate. They don't do that , for goodness sake we know that.
I support the system of Constitutional Monarchy in the UK, not because it's perfect, but because the alternative would not seem to offer any real advantages and some distinct disadvantages. However, I am concerned that Charles is not as liked as his mother nor his son and that the approval rating of the Monarchy will go down the longer his is King. I doubt he would ever abdicate but I sincerely hope that he will sense that would probably be a wise and popular move.
It is his destiny. Why would he abdicate? He looked solemn because he recognised the importance of his Coronation and his pledge to serve. Leave him alone.
They obvuously didn't sleep well the night before because of the nerves, it's understandable. I think they both looked marvelous.
For twenty years we speculation the Queen would abdicate and hand over to Charles that never happened either
To be fair I thought Camilla looked quite frail these past couple of weeks. She has missed quite a few engagements. Charles will be heartbroken if anything happened to her, could he continue his role alone? I really don't think so.
Much as I enjoyed the day I said all day he looked like a tired, bewildered old man because in truth that's what he is at 74 no getting away from it. 5 years would be good then onto William.
No he won't. He looks that way because he's gutted about the Harry situation, not because he's "tired".
I agree he looks weary but I don't think he'll ever abdicate. If anything happened to Camilla I think he would disintegrate so not sure what would happen then. The Queen was a very strong woman, as was her mother. Princess Anne has the same quality. I think Queen Elizabeth was extraordinary as was her reign and dedication - I don't think our monarchy will be the same again tbh.
I think it's a shame the queen didn't abdicate so she was there to watch Charles become king.. she was the only thing missing from the coronation.. I hope he abdicates when the time is right so he can watch William become king.
To be honest, I don't think he can handle the pressure, because he is too frail, and too old to start this new job. Before becoming the king, he always had his mother's backup, now he must do it by himself, and he is a very short-tempered person, nothing like his mother.
They are a couple in their 70s and are allowed to look tired. I hope his duties can be spaced out so they can have what we call an occasional " nothing day". Doubt he will abdicate, unless some unexpected health problem arises.
All the plans, discussions, decisions have been at the forefront of his mind for a long time, I'm not surprised it's all taken its toll but .... I think it's very unfair to comment on his looking worn out. Wouldn't any of us be like that under similar circumstances? Give the man some breathing space ....
Rumour has it, he will remain on the throne for 10 years, health permitting and then hand over to William. I for one, think there is a tremendous sense of pride in seeing your heir crowned. I wish her late Majesty had at some stage stepped down and been there to see her son take up the mantle.
It's only a matter of time when the nation will get rd of the Royal Family as we cannot afford them because the tax payer picks up the bill on everything. Before you all jump on the Band Wagon that they bring in millions they don't pay any tax or in his case no inheritance tax from his late mums estate. This man is worth 26 Billion so why did the tax payer foot the bill for his coronation?
Her calculation... new gov in 2024. Tories try to scorched Earth new gov, which they hope is thrown out in 2029. Tory gov then decides to have a bit of a do with a new King and persuades Chuck to go back to chatting to trees.
The King will not "hand over" the crown. That is not done in the UK. Edward VIII was forced to abdicate, Charles III will not be doing that.
Nonsense! Of course they look weary, have you been living up a peak in the Himalayas and thus unaware of the year or so they've had? Harry and Meghan, the death of Prince Philip, Harry and Meghan, the death of the Queen, Harry and Meghan, the preparations for the Coronation, Harry and Meghan and the actual Coronation .Charles has a heritage and a destiny to fulfil, plus he intends to steer the 21st Century Monarch to a safe harbour. Give him a break for God's sake!
It was a very emotional day anyone young or old would feel the stress. The King has waited a long time for this and I'm sure wanted everything to be perfect. William and Kate were not late the King was early. A few days off and he will be fine.
I don't think he will make it much past his mid 80's, so the opportunity to take early retirement will probably not happen! He doesn't appear to be anywhere near as fit and healthy as either his mother or grandmother.
You have a point, but the Wueen did it and they do have an army of staff taking care of every little detail, organising all the transport, clothing required, food etc etcits not like they are hopping on and off buses. But good luck to them.
Really - there are far too many people giving their two penneth these days He will rung a schedule as he sees fit as they Queen did as she became older.
He looked overwhelmed by the day, he looked absolutely fine by the time of the concert. It was Camilla who looked frail compared to when I've seen her previously.
You are absolutely wrong, he wants to give William a chance to raise his children for as long as possible and I know this because I have spoken with staff of the King. Maybe do some research.
He won't abdicate but the Prince and Princess of Wales will increasingly take on bigger role and eventually William will be deputising for him.
No he wont he will carry on stoically until or if he reaches his 90s and then he will do the same as his mother did and then William will help out more. Williams children will then be old enough to take more responsibility. I do think that Edwards children we will start seeing more of as they get older, Im not too sure about Beatrice and Eugenie.
He is old he is bound to look exhausted all the world's eyes upon him constant pressure to follow in the queen's footsteps I think I would look tired ! and I'm not 73
If you know your history, youll know that our monarchs generally dont abdicate and the only recent example is Edward VIII. Only three other monarchs have abdicated: Richard II, Mary Queen of Scots, James VII of Scotland (who was also James II of England). Its what sets our monarchy apart from the rest of the worlds monarchies - and why its the most respected as our monarchs treat the position as an honour and an opportunity for public service. And Charles will want William and Kate to have as much of a normal family life as they can, so I fully expect him to go through to death.
The King and Queen were up past midnight, rehearsing again in the Abbey, after returning from hosting world leaders. I would posit that it is unlikely they would be deprived of their sleep on a regular basis.
It was exhausting watching the coronation, King Charles actually had to be there. It was a long day. Anyone would get tired. Like the Queen, he is committed to serve the nation as king until he dies.
He looked exhausted at his coronation and event the night before or not, he should have got some rest ahead of time. Even the official photos do him no favours.
I thinks he'll wait until William and his children are ready to take the reins before he steps down.
It was a very serious and religious ceremony. I think Camilla was a little nervous. Plus, I heard she hurt her back before the coronation and was in a lot of pain. Both of them in public appearances are very animated and seem very happy.
Maybe, as another step in changing the Royal family, there could be a sort of joint/job share arrangement later on, so he can share the burden and William can be eased in, but still have a bit more time for his family?
I agree, he looks worn out before hes even started. I do not think he is physically up to the job and being tetchy is not very regal.
I think he may pass it for no other reason than at this time we need a younger King, not that Charles is out of touch but that younger generations have so little regard for the elderly never mind an elderly King
Ive been saying it all along when people said oh its a once in a lifetime event that youll see and I disagree definitely see William be crowned. Charles looks shattered and like he doesnt wanna really do it. I feel hes done it cause hes waited so long and wanted his crowning moment.
I agree. I highly doubt he will be King for very long. I give it 5-10 years tops before he pulls a Edward and leaves it to William.
In the last few years his father has died and last year his beloved mother. Add to that the nonsense and hurt he has received from Harry plus the long ceremonial day and evening of his Coronation and just ask yourself, wouldn't you look worn out?
The Queen should have resigned at 85 to ensure a successful reign for King Charles and to protect the monarchy. King Charles seems energised and happier since he came King.
I don't think the King would abdicate unless there was a really compelling reason he could not perform his duties. King Charles apparently wants his children and grandchildren to enjoy family life as long as possible. (An opportunity denied him and his parents by George VI's untimely death). If Charles became incapacitated, there is precedent for William to become Prince Regent.
I'm sure I read in this paper that he planned to start handing things over in 10 years time. Personally hope it's sooner, though
Please get your facts right, as I've repeatedly requested. The Prince and Princess of Wales were NOT late arriving at the Abbey. It was the King who arrived early, as expertly explained by the commentator on whichever channel I was watching. The procession had been paced out at so many steps per minute in rehearsal, but when it came to the actual one, they walked slightly faster, so in fact the King got there too EARLY. I agree that he looked tired, but he did through the whole ceremony. At one point I honestly thought he was going to fall asleep.
Agree with the author, ' We should be congratulating the police on ensuring that the biggest ceremony seen in Britain for 70 years passed without mishap''. At last our police allowed to remove rubbish from the streets !
Jenni Miurray is just stating good old common sense. One has to move at a different pace as one ages because one's body is not the same. Nothing wrong with that, except public expectation. King Charles will simply have to hand over the more physically demanding roles to Prince William & Princess Catherine, and still keep the crown as he is supposed to, and still predominate at affairs of State.
I agree with Jenni, I thought they both looked exhausted. Surely they could take a "honeymoon" and chill out in Sandringham or Balmoral for a couple of weeks and recharge the batteries? That schedule of theirs would be hectic for a young person, let alone a pair of septuagenarians. Take a break, your majesties, you've earned it.
I've always said he would be transitional king 7 years tops. He won't want the monarchy to suffer and William wait like he did. Catherine and William are the most popular royals so it would be a major positive move. Of course H needs removing from line of succession first .
He looked tired and weary that day. Hes not young. He will hopefully pace himself. And in my own very humble opinion, whats wrong with that?
When watching the coronation on the TV me and my partner said he would do ten years maximum. We both said the same, they both looked exhausted as you say. And this is just the start.
The King will never abdicate. If he becomes physically or mentally unable to carry on Prince William would become Prince Regent but not King until his father passes on.
It was a long day and it was a huge thing for him. He takes the responsibility very seriously. It's not a game to him. Also it would have brought back memories of his mother. You could see that when he took the oath.
I disagree. I didn't see them looking weary... I think Charles has waited & prepared for so long that he is game on.
He's always had that look. His mother should have done the right thing and stepped down when she was 65 or 70 and let him take over. The way it is now, he's got only about 15 years. She should have stepped down.
Absolutely love Princess Ann. William to me is the true King. His daughter is the model of our late Queen.
I totally agree; he does look spent. My mother says that nothing destroys a parent like losing a child and for all intents and purposes, Charles has lost a child. And it shows.
What rubbish! Its not as if hes been sitting around and suddenly has these duties. Check is calendar of engagementshes always made countless appearances, as well as taking on several more as the Queen cut back her schedule. Hes had to deal with the draining daily missives from Harry as well. Not easy to be King as your family breaks down.
Thank you for articulating what many think. Sadly Charles looks old tired and not regal. We need vigor of William and Kate not two pensioners
A lifetime of living in the lap of luxury, being bowed and curtsied to, amazing palaces and trips, to them only do the main job for 6 years? Sign me up for that job
The line-up on the palace balcony just served to underline how elderly the so-called "working royals" all are. Most are in their 70s and 80s, while Prince Edward will be 60 next year. That really leaves the Prince and Princess of Wales very exposed, as there are no other , younger members of the royal family lined up to support them. Prince Harry's ship has well and truly sailed. King Charles may not like it, but before long he will surely need to start calling on Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie, both of whom carry out charity work independently, and possibly Lady Louise Windsor to step into the breach. Either that or we will have to get used to seeing very little of the royals in future years - not a good omen for the King, for , as his mother famously said, she had to be "seen to be believed", and so will he.
His heart is broken over Harry. I'm sure he was looking forward to sharing this moment with both his sons. Shame...
I don't think he will ever give it up. Nor do I think he will ever stop involving himself in divisive political and cultural issues. It's very sad, because William and Kate would breathe new life into the Monarchy. By the time William gets his chance, more Commonwealth countries will be republics, with their own heads of state. It's so sad to see this happening.
He became heir to the throne at the age of 4, he said. He has been the longest serving and oldest Prince Of Wales in history. It is his duty to be King. What sort of example would he be setting, if he were to abdicate?
Six years for Harried to mend fences with his brother....or he will pay another 28 hour visit to London at coronation of his brother. This time he will stand by the palace gates and then leave to take Archie to play school or something
"As William performed his duties to perfection and his wife looked every inch a Queen-in-waiting, I couldn't help wondering how long it will be before the next Coronation. Might Charles, at the age of 74 and Camilla, 76 in July, decide in the not-too-distant future to pass the sword, the orb and the crown to his son?" I think not. I think there is such a thing, just a notion, mind you, called a schedule of events for every day that includes public appearances, paperwork, greeting foreign visitors, et al. I think be a stickler for being on time is not a sign of anything but being a sticker for being on time. Unless there is mental or physical decline, the same provisions as for the late HMTQ are in place and it may be time to rethink the number of public appearances all year for the RF anyway. If you think this has not already been discussed inside the Monarchy, you live in your own little world.
Charles doesn't seem anywhere near as healthy as his parents were. I was actually having this conversation over the weekend. Her Majesty and Prince Philip were so robust, full of energy and life almost to the very end of their lives. Charles just doesn't seem to have that energy at all.
Kings and Queens don't abdicate - unless it's extreme circumstances - so no chance he'll go. He will see his reign out until the end. Of course I doubt he'll live as long as The late Queen did - but who knows
I think KC3 realizes that he doesn't have the life-long stamina that HMQ had, and that William is poised and ready to take over when he is no longer willing or able. I say when he's 80, he'll want to go back to his simpler life in Cornwall.
Queen Elizabeth was a rare breed. Very few people reach her age in good health with a steady walk and hardy disposition. Still, Charles DOES look frail. A lifetime of trying to stay trim hasn't done him any favors.
Several friends and myself hit 70 last year. All of us seem to feel slower and more tired. I don't know how King Charles and Queen Camilla can keep up the pace they do and will have to do during their seventies. I wish them well, but I hope they know when to retire and enjoy the years they have left. Youth is coming up behind them who can do what needs to be done.
The monarchy should be abolished, the Royals assets returned to the Treasury. They can each receive a pension equal to the average government pension. Perhaps each be given a modest home and a Toyota.
Poor Charles. Poor Camilla. I hope they are getting enough rest. Such demanding schedules! And at such a late stage in life.
He's 20 years and more younger than the Queen was when she passed. on her feet till the very end , he has plenty of servants , to cook and put his meals on the table , doesn't even have to make his own bed , do his washing or wash his floors , secretaries to do all the paperwork , how can he be exhausted ?
I don't think he will or more likely can. It's all down to the Duchy of Cornwall. If William is King and Prince George is too young to take the Duchy over from William, what then?
His official king photo portrait with crown looked not a bit ferrety and self conscious, opposed to confident control like a king should be
They both looked completely worn out. The Queen was much better at putting on her happy face and getting on with it no matter the circumstances. They didn't even look like they tried.
Nonsense they are doing fine, no need to put them out pasture, the younger royals can do the harder work.
He will never voluntarily hand over the reigns after waiting 74 years to become king. He will be on the throne until he breathes his last breath.
Totally agree about Charles future, just had this conversation at work today. He does look weary and old and this massive costly ceremony for a few years of being King seems obscene. He's tired and rightly so. Too old to be crowned king however I do suspect it's been to allow William sone life with his young kids first.
Completely agree. I thought he looked pale and frail. The struggle he had with the pen a month ago or so showed me an elderly man losing some wit.
Leave him alone, he's doing a good job so far. Of course he looks tired, he's hardly stopped since the Queen died and this coronation must have been hanging over him with all the things that could possibly have gone wrong. I doubt he's been getting much proper sleep! I'm sure now it's out of the way he will have a chance to recharge his batteries. Some people just have to put the boot in don't they.
I do not think his visual weariness is down to his age and well being. I think he has been very strongly affected by his mother's death, more than any can imagine. I believe this deep sadness is taking a toll .
I agree that our police force did a phenomenal job. lets stop with these republican sentiment. just look at the US and you would change your mind
That would break a precedent. Other than abdication, every king or queen has remained in place until their death. Personally I think he should have passed it straight on to William, but since that would also break a precedent (no heir has ever refused the position and handed it straight to the next generation) doing that could be seen as a sign of weakening the monarchy, so I understand why he hasn't, aside from the fact he's waited his whole life for this. Either way, they need to rethink it: he could easily live as long as his mother or father, meaning William would be in his late 60s by the time he inherits the crown. Considering we're centuries away from early deaths at the age of 40 or so, it becomes absurd. Unless an untimely death befalls one of them we're looking at generations of kings or queens who will be in their 60s or 70s when they take the crown. If they want to keep the institution going, that's not the way to do it.
Quite a few people I know have retired before state pension age 65-70 as with the pressure they thought frankly they wouldn't get through to retirement. King Charles in his 70s should pace himself as we'd like him around happy healthy and active for some considerable time to come.
Don't forget that His Majesty has just been through a traumatic eight months, with barely a moment to draw breath. Within a year his equilibrium will be restored, and we will have the monarch the King has promised to be.
I think everyone seems to be making too much of the grumpiness is the carriage, to me it made him more relatable, just like my dad and grandad grumbling about time keeping while the rest of us are running around losing things, it made me smile as both dad and grandad are no longer with us
They never had over, they just limp on until they die. For all their wealth, what a horrible life they have. I can't imagine getting my first job in my 70s.
I also think it would be a good idea. Once William is King Charles can be his support rather than the other way round. Charles has worked so hard for so many years he deserves to retire in dignity. God Save the King.
The Coronation was a joyous celebration of natural progression but it was also a constant reminder of the loss. Perhaps his 'sadness' was remembering the loss because it was a great loss to so many others as well
At 75 he is rather old to be king and he should do the same as the Queen of the Netherlands and abdicate in favour of his son William in two years time.
Totally agree with you, Jenni. I thought, as soon as we saw him enter the Abbey, how white & exhausted he looked.
During the coronation I thought he looked tired and weary. The stress of such an event after the recent death of her majesty the Queen, must weigh heavily on his mind. But I for one, have no doubt he will carry on with his role, until time calls a halt, and William succeeds him. God save the king.
I hope Charles continues as King for at least ten to twelve years or so in order for George , Charlotte and Louis to get through their teens before William and Catherine succeed to the throne.
King Edward VII was king less than 10 years, following his 60+ years as Prince of Wales through his mother Victoria's long reign. It's the natural order of things in a hereditary system. King Charles surely knows his recent family history and that his reign will be short enough without giving up the throne.
I agree. It's hard to start at such an age and expect to take care of everybody. I think William is quite capable. Kate is strong and wise .
I think his energy is incredible for his age. Don't forget they had weeks of decisions and rehearsals. He genuinely works really hard and for long hours. I couldn't and wouldn't want their lifestyle and schedule and I'm half his age
I would feel tired having to go through the day without making a mistake, hoping everything works out well.
He has no reason to abdicate and pass on the Crown ..he's in that job until he dies ..like his mother and grandfather father before him.
If the Royal Family was a blue chip business and brand (which it is in many ways) strategic sense would be to make William CEO and Charles step into a Chairman role. William and Kate are marketing gold and the world would have reacted much better to their coronation.
I could not decide what was off about him. He has been on big stages before and had a great support network but he seemed detached and flat unable to summon the energy necessary to star. I don't think it was all nerves nor the solemnity of the occasion that got to him but something was affecting him.
The constitution dictates that he is monarch for life. Abdication would create a constitutional crisis, so it wont happen.
When you have lived your entire adult life having every whim indulged its hardly surprising there are a mired of things that will irritate. This was demonstrated when the pen wouldnt work.
To judge him on a day that followed a week of rehearsals and hosting international dignitaries is extremely unfair.
It would be very clever and honourable thing to do for our Kind to hand over the reign sooner than later.
Princess Anne was second in line to the throne until Andrew came along. Ten years. Displaced further by Edward. It's interesting and remarkable that she has had a successful equestrian career and combined it with being a working Royal. A very hard working Royal at that! If anyone had just cause to be naffed off at her treatment it would be Princess Anne. Not only was she born The Spare but she was further twice displaced by her younger brothers. Because she was a female! Yet she has borne all her injustices with good grace and has not turned on her family. The look of love and pride at watching her brother be crowned was only matched by the same look from Edward. Charles is very lucky to have their support. As for Harold and Andrew...what can I say???
Are you daft or what? To even think that Charles would abdicate is an absolute nonsense on your part.
For years Charles has looked closer to expiring than his dad Prince Philip did before he passed. Who knows.
You don't just hand over the reigns. That's not how it works. King Charles is weary because he's had a tough life: his first marriage and now his son Harry. He's a gentle and sensitive man. He deserves our support.
Her Majesty the Queen was an extraordinary person, attending to her duties full-time until very shortly before she passed away. King Charles III is NOT his mother and will likely retire from full-time duties at a much younger age.
Sad to say but the glamour and mystery and thrill of monarchy disappeared with the late Queen Charles is a dreadful replacement. The late Queen was an extraordinary person and a true global giant for many generations of us . There will never be anyone like her again . But weren't we lucky to have lived in her time . And how we will always miss that Queens Speech on Xmas day . Such a cherished tradition and memory . Hard to think she's no longer here .
Personal opinion and free speech has gone out of the window if it doesn't praise king charles III to the rafters.
There is a bit of me that has gone from the rich diversity of the Abbey to the terribly female only presenters on this TV show. Im very struck by that.
Let's face it. The way the BBC works is that if she didn't defend the actress, she would be cancelled!
Well if the Markle woman had not caused so much trouble, ther could have been a non white face on the balcony
Scraping the bottom of the barrel by inviting these pundits in the first place, so we shouldn't be surprised with their crass, ignorant comments!
The original comment was a completely unnecessary observation. Part of the endless commentary across the coronation weekend. Often less is more.
Actors and journalists all belong to the same lefty fraternity, so those comments are no surprise to them, and only a shock to the majority of rational viewers who continue not to be represented on these broadcasts.
Why does a white family have to defend itself about being white. Her supporters have completely misread the room. The Royal Family do not have to be diverse just to please the likes of a two bit actress.
Virtue signalling, pure and simple. Im not surprised that Ofcom have had so many complaints about this utter nonsense. The whole race thing has now gone into overdrive and the wheels are falling off ,like many other narratives that have been unleashed on us in recent years, and reasonable people of all races are sick and tired of it all now.
If my family, going back generations, were to stand on a balcony .. we too would be terribly white. The huge majority of the UK population is terribly white. Calling this out as something wrong is plain wrong, its not a crime or anything to be ashamed of. There's no law where-by families have to be culturally diverse.
The BBC should have had a quality, informed, and educated individual like Tom Bower on the programme instead of an actress.
Your fear and turning a Blind eye to the obvious is whats wrong with the world, you just dont want to be cancelled or called the term you fear most.
Goodness me look at the comments on social media and the trashy channels all full of blatant race baiting she's not far wrong.
Oh dear! Those were some of the worst and most divisive comments I've ever had to hear on television. Totally appalling and probably way beyond escape with a forced apology. Career ending normally in today's climate created by like-minded individuals such as this.
Incredibly offensive to comment negatively on the skin colour of a family. Are you suggesting that the Royal Family should marry for optics? That people of colour should be used as tools to improve the image of the Royal Family? Have a conversation about privilege by all means, but this isn't the way to do it.
Well thousand do think she has to apologise, so you are in the very very very small majority who think she has nothing to apologise for. She has and needs too.
The wholeness has gone mad, you can't cancel the royal family because it doesn't cover all races. The world has gone mad.
They are entitled to their opinion, as I am entitled to mine, which is that they are talking a load of old cobblers.
Why is it that anything white has to be diverse and yet other cultures can be celebrated and left alone??
If it would be wrong to say it tne other way round then it's wrong saying it like she did. I'm sick of seeing such hypocritical double standards.
Their coverage was awful but the only choice I had to watch here. All they did was make snarky commentary. It was clear they were anti-monarchy.
Only 4000 complaints , How many people actually watched the programme , Millions 4000 complaints is nothing to worth writing about.
As a British descended white person raining mixed race children, once again I am being made to feel ashamed of the colour of my skin and apologise for something I have no control over. I really dislike being female, mid-forties and White.
What? I mean what? I honestly do not understand what reality this other woman is living in. Unless it's pure virtue signalling, in which case she clearly sees the problem but allows her wokeness to counter it. Absolutely nuts.
A lack of diversity exists in probably 90% of British families. So what? Doesn't mean to say we all have to heave a sigh of relief when a relative falls for someone from a different background to tick the woke box.
That's what happens when TV insist on being inclusive when what they should of done just invited the best commentators no matter what colour they are! Then again I bet this is exactly what ITV wanted
THE most ignorant remark a woman has made about the RF, when Charles is patently tolerant of other races.
The Royal family heretige is white. You can't change that. It's like saying there isn't enough white people in the Nelson Mandela family.
Yep I noticed that and was aghast that anyone would agree with what she said. The whole thing is disgusting. Hope she never gets work again
The author agreeing with such an ignorant statement should be ashamed of herself, as no one is more tolerant of other races than Charles.
If you live outside the capital or the major cities it's the diversity that stands out to the rest of us.
Utter claptrap, I said it before they are a white family, what did she expect, it was an ill informed crass statement from an actress perhaps trying to raise her profile, who knows.
My opinion is that freedom of speech is important, but that anything you say won't necessarily meet with agreement therefore others are entitled to criticise your words. I find it rather bizarre that anyone would bring skin colour into the balcony appearance of the royal family, I mean why would they even be thinking of skin colour at such a time? Still, it got Ms Andoh a lot of publicity which may not be unwelcome to her, maybe now time to stop with the headlines, DM.
What is so unjust is that it would never be allowed if the roles were reversed. It needs to be the same for everyone
What is the author thinking defending the indefensible...no one is more tolerant of other races than Charles.
First thing I was taught on my history degree - you remain impartial..... this writer clearly has never taken that on board. You express no opinion.
The notion that being white and groups of white families congregating being a bad thing does not fix racism. It creates a new kind.
She rattled on about slavery and I had to turn over. She's totally buying into the lefty narrative and trying to stay relevant.
So the backlash is 'white fragility'? We could say a similar thing about her comment. But, of course, it only goes one way. It's strange that the wokeys don't mention the lack of diversity in governments, including the top level of the EU as well as African and Asian countries. But no, it's just the UK. As someone who grew up in a multicultural area (Cardiff), I have never known such divisiveness in this country.
The comment was facetious and entirely unnecessary. I am sure if it had been the other way around a police investigation would have ensued but it seems that free speech only works one way.
Totally stupid comment & equally stupid to nod in agreement. So typical of todays crazy woke agenda where common sense is replaced by lunacy.
Catherine Mayer, King Charles' biographer? Perhaps she should start looking for another job after this.
Just goes to prove how out of touch with public opinion these people are .. sack the lot and get people we can relate to, to present programmes
What is wrong with these people? Can they not accept reality? Life as it is, the way things are created, beyond our personal powers!
Factually she was correct. But there are a 101 facts that can not be talked about, because they are not considered PC. The woke can say what they like but anything that goes against their narrative is deemed unsayable / unprintable. The DM are a bunch of cowards.
Slight tangent here. But Myleen and Helen Flanagan are currently appearing in 'I'm a celebrity' BUT Myleen was on this Coronation show, and Helen was pictured at some awards ceremony two days ago. I'm so confused. Can anyone help? Is 'I'm a celebrity' pre recorded and already happened etc??
They can try and change history, but slipping a person of colour into the RF as a potential heir to the throne would necessitate a sleight of retrospective DNA modification that might test even Monsanto.
So now white family's are wrong too ? I can only blame my Scandinavian heritage , sorry about that .
The biggest threat to the monarchy is the divisive, sycophantic and controlling British tabloid press. Irony at its finest!
When Prince George comes to the Throne. Maybe our Royal Family will be the same as Denmark, Sweden, Belgium and The Netherlands. I think that William and Catherine are gradually shifting from not being seen other than performing duties. To being part of the community.
The pressure will be on them as less of them now to do the work. What will happen when Princesses Anne is no longer around... She carries out out 230 engagements per year! The next generation of working royals will certainly have their work cut out.
Insightful of King Charles to downsize and save costs with inevitable progressive unpopularity of the British Monarchy.
George won't have any problems. There will always be family members happy to jump on the gravy train.
Looks like they got some random folk out from The local retirement villagehow glamorous and inspiring the lot are not!
Charles and other monarchs are there just to sign the papers that the Govt of the day puts in front of them. Period. And thats not work. The rest of the RF have no legal role or powers, are just hangers on, using their unearned titles to avoid a proper job. There is no need for this 'Royal Family' with hundreds of leeches.
The whole family are just ribbon cutters, muttering 'and what do you do' to people they couldn't care less about. But it excuses then from having to work. After all who would employ 'Prince' Edward? Without his title this twit would be resitting his car park attendant's course.
I agree with this article. Unfortunately, Charles decided a long time ago that Beatrice and Eugenie would not be working royals. That, imo was a mistake. Whether Beatrice would be willing to do so now that she has her career, while also being a wife and mother who knows. While Eugenie lives, it has been reported in Portugal, which is where her husband works. Meanwhile, Edward's children are still in education and, of course, should be allowed to study. Anne's children have now made their own lives and have successful careers. Charles, it appears, has what he wished for. However, imo it is not good for the future of the monachy.
A UGOV poll shows that 79% of the population did not attend a Coronation celebration. This was not reflected in the hysterical descriptions of a rapturous, deferential population in the DM, TV, and all of the press.
Let's have a referendum it's the democratic thing to do . If all the royal bootlickers are so convinced that the majority want a royal family then they have nothing to fear .
The term "burnt out" seems to be losing its meaning. How on earth can it relate to the over-privileged Windsors and their "work"?
Half the stuff they do is probably not needed and could be done by others and part of it is creating a role for themselves.
Things change and people adapt. Nothing to see here! Who knows what will be valued or promoted in the distant future?
Please stop with the 'they were late' nonsense already. Charles was early. We all watched. We all heard the real time commentary! Wills and Kate were on time but Charles coach got there early and was in front of their car!
Whilst the Falklands war was on a police motorcyclist complained of the number of supposedly minor royals he had never heard of had to be escorted at high speed for no apparent reason! Far, far too many hangers on, just look at all those that complained they should have been invited to the coronation!
What workload? There is no pressing need for minor royals to give their lives a meaning by being patrons etc. or having silly military titles as Princess Anne does. Let them get proper jobs and learn what real life is like for ordinary people.
Ridiculous that the younger generation and all Williams cousins were not included - The late Queen relied on her cousins - most undertook many duties and patronages. William and Catherine cannot do everything and be everywhere, and their children are very young. There are so many organisations that need a next generation figurehead who is active.
This is the real reason Harry left for the US becuse he could see himself and Megan being dumped on..... Along with Anne,Charles and Camilla only have a few years of being capable of doing a significant workload. In the short term the load will fall on the Edinburghs and William /Kate until their kids are old enough in 10 years ? Harry saw that he and Megan would be used until such time as they were no longer needed and then tossed aside, so decided he would determine his future and not William. This is at the heart of the fall out between brothers.
I count 7 in that photo who are in their 70s or 80s. Including the King & Queen. In a matter of only a very few years this is going to be a problem. Even the late Queen when in her nineties went to Sandringham & Balmoral for extended periods. She was fortunate to have enough back up but Charles will not have that looking at the photo again.
The next purge of European monarchy is very soon, not only British monarchy will be gone, Holland, Sweden, Norway, Spain, Denmark, Belgium will also gone
I don't see how the RF can support and highlight their many patronages. Charles won't have the help he needs in 5-10 years. Princess Alexandra and the Duke of Kent are too frail to make any but the most important appearances. By the time William is King, he'll be forturnate to have Edward and Sophie, although I expect Anne will be going strong until she's in her 90s! There needs to be planning done on work William's cousins can do, even if only part-time.
Its all a load of rubbish, wake up Brits its 2023! Unelected and living off the people with an over inflated sense of superiority. Love my republic, we vote them in and out, no lifers living opulent lives for shaking hands.
Princess Alexandra was supported by Edward and Sophie in the photo, in normal circumstances she will be sitting down. The King better plan properly for the survival and future of the monarchy
Absolutely right jn regarding to already having a wonderful life with her husband. I think its greaf both sisters have built a greay life , away from their titles . I was just trying to say that minus the prince and princess of wales , everyone is over the age of 60. That slim down monarchy is looking very anemic , and can't possible last long lol
The Duchess of Cornwall (refuse to call her Princess of Wales) and the Princess Consort (refuse to call her Queen) are my least fave. My faves are Prince Harry, Princess Meghan, and Princess Anne. Change the monarchy laws and make it so that the public can vote for their fave to take crown. You'd have Queen Anne which is way better than King Charles and Camzilla.
Oh, please. It simply means more new and expensive clothes for the so-called working It also means that they should pick more focused and productive cause that will actually make a difference.
By all means start putting pressure on Louis and Charlotte now - better remind them daily of their duty to support their brother. Everyones life should be decided before 2nd grade. Brother, no thanks!!
me, my wife and kids have spent the day talking about princess meghan and how she inspires us. my daughter said when she's older she wants to be just like meghan, isn't there anything you guys can do to make her queen? i'm begging you.
Why are you blaming the Sussexes? Didn't Charles tell Harry there wasn't enough money to support him and Meghan (because Charles was so skint with only $20 million a year). Were they supposed to do it for free? For Kate and William's hand me downs? Charles wanted a slimmed down monarchy and that's what he got.
The author of the article points out the very young Charles and Anne in the 1953 photo. George, Charlotte and Louis were not present in Charles photo but are nevertheless the youngest family members who will grow up quickly and start assuming more official roles.
Princess Alexandra is YOUNGER than The Duke of Kent. She turned 86 last Christmas Day having been born 25th December, 1936 while the Duke was born in October 1935 - the last grandchild of George V born in his reign. He is also the last royal to have Edward VIII as his godfather. She also doesn't need the Lady Ogilvy as that is only used on the most formal of occasions.
How dumb. His siblings will most likely have kids eventually too, and his parents aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Seems the same to me. It's going to be slim for King Will and Queen Katherine! That's who!
James and Louise are too far down the order of succession to become working Royals. What you'll probably see is Beatrice and Eugenie helping out until the Wales children are older. Beatrice and Eugenie are next in line for the throne after Harrys family and their father.
me and 4 other parents have petitioned our childrens elementary school to teach things about what princess meghan stands for. she's the greatest royal theres ever been and she's a role model for me and countless other people.what britain needs to do is change the rules and allow her to be queen, what you people would gain is unquestionable.
I am a monarchist but I believe that slimming down is the way to go. As the older ones depart the younger ones will take over. The monarchy is changing for the first time in 70 years, and so it should. The "Victorian" order of the way things work will not work for the future and William an Kate realise this. They are the ones that are leading the change and I think that Charles realises this and paving the way.
Corralling their children? I think you'll find they were with dresses and servants, while the staff sorted out the children. They know zero of the struggles faced by real people.
Try working full time, paying a mortgage and feeding your family while paying inflated energy prices - that's the definition of Burned Out and that applies to most working families in the UK.
William will hopefully be able to raise his family before becoming King. I say hopefully because he's a devoted father and husband and deserves the opportunity to fulfill this most important role. Charles had the opportunity but squandered his family time doing everything but. I hope Charles can hang in there for Williams and his grandchildren's sake.
Would not surprise me if Lady Louise starts taking on royal engagements. As well as princess Beatrice who is now a chancellor of state.
I think the royal family will really struggle going forward without the Queen and Prince Philip, their never explain never complain outlook keep the monarchy strong, the younger ones now seem to share a little too much with us.
It is not the 1800s anymore and this lot are not needed. If we retired them all off tourists would still come here..
I think history will see that picture in a very different way. It contained two people who are not working members of the Royal family. So Prince Harry was deliberately kept out of the photographs out of spite. The king is giving his son and all other family members a clear Message to keep quiet about what goes on in the royal family even if they do things that would be considered unlawful to the rest of us plebs.
The resolution to this is simple. Bring forward Beatrice and Eugenie. It's a complete no brainer than the sole princesses of their generation could add huge value, awareness and provide decades of work which the older and lessen known royals can no longer maintain.
Chuck is going to be around for a while yet, then William will be around for a fair few years after that. This is assuming there's no life-extension technology or medical breakthroughs in the next 30-40 years. Also considering that Liz and her Mum made it to 96 and 101 respectively then chances are when George takes the crown, he won't be an adorable little imp but a bitter middle-aged grump married to some clothes horse and wondering why he couldn't get a proper job like his sister.
I have always thought they should bring the York Princesses into the working fold. They have never put a foot wrong and could be an amazing addition
Oh grow up ! He will have the next generation of royals, his sister and brother and their offspring and his second cousins , just as Charles has now
Let's not mince words: I trust 8 year old Princess Charlotte to handle the job and know what needs to be done than the whole lot of them, including the King.
What a load of manure ! ! ! ! Queen Victoria managed perfectly fine and your country didn't go down the toilet. George will be F I N E .
Dont you just love these royal experts! They make their living by spreading rumours, speculation and claiming theyve got the inside track by quoting unnamed sources. Theyd earn a more honest crust by selling the big issue.
Now can we as tax-payers have a "slimmed down" cost - they have empty Palaces all over - like Buckingham Palace and Kensington Palace , Charles now has Highgrove , Balmoral , Birkhall ,Sandringham and St James Palace - he must cut out some of this property excess with so many homeless ! Why not turn Buckingham Palace into a hostel for refugees - it has 775 rooms !
And yet again the DM proves that despite its protestations it is still fundamentally a too| of the establishment.
so let me get this straight? they cast princess meghan and prince harry aside, based on sheer jelousy because of how popular they are, and now they complain because theres not enough of them? embarrassing but ok, theres a simple answer to this, invite harry and meghan back, give them the titles of prince and princess of scotland, change the laws so meghan could and will be queen, and let her guide the british monarchy through the rocks, sit back and watch her inspire. after all, she is the peoples princess. xxx
I agree, I think this is what Princess Anne was trying to convey too. However I do agree with making changes so it's more efficient etc. But the goal is to be efficient while maintaining a high standard of service.
If you're a monarchist, then this could be a very scary time for you. The whole future rests on the Wales damily. If the Prince of Wales does what he did once before and takes the whole family on a journey and heaven forbid they have a crash and all die...whose next ... the US branch and then the disgraced uncle Priince. If we don't want the us branch on the throne, then I think the King needs to remove them from the line of succession, because they are very close to the top.
Is it wise to encourage children to follow & "hero worship" someone who it has been proven to not follow their own standards that they demand of others? Who seeks personal gain in the loss & suffering of others? Hay, if that is the sort of role model you endorse, enjoy your pod cast with your children. They are the adults you created.
An hereditary monarch as head of state, fair enough, but why do we also need anyone other than himself/ herself and their children involved? Let the relatives go and earn a proper living as private individuals.
Agreed, which makes the Wales family even more essential to the future of the Monarchy. And causes one to raise eyebrows when reading commenters proclaiming the Princess Royal at age 72 to be indispensable to a successful Carolean Reign. There is only one person or persons essential to the continuation and maintenance of the Monarchy and that is the Wales family.
my kids wanted to watch the coronation, however i didn't tell them that princess meghan (aka the nations sweetheart) wasn't present) they kept asking me, "where is she?" i had to break the bad news to them that princess meghan wasn't invited and they broke down in tears, thats when my oldest son jerry started chanting "we want meghan!" i've never been so proud! we spent the rest of the day listening to meghans podcast. this is how meghan inspires!
Charles and Camilla can not expect Prince William and Princess of Wales to take up their duties as well as the ones they already have . William and Catherine have young children and can not be out everyday doing the king and queen's service . It is outrageous for Charles and Camilla to think so . Beatrice and Eugenia would make good workers for the crown . Charles and Camilla , You have to have others other than William and Catherine .
Somehow I cant help but miss the photograph of The King with the future of the monarchy that would send a message of security & stability. They definitely shouldve thought of a shot of King Charles, Prince William & Prince George. That would be hugely poignant!
Did this paper ever refer to the King's mother as "Elizabeth" in a headline? From what I remember, she was always "The Queen". The King has been crowned. Show some respect.
They could outsource some of the work. If some day centre or food bank needs a visit, it 'd be cheaper to hire some sports star or TV presenter to do it.
Didn't the queen have three children, who in turn have children. The same with the future new blood. There are also cousins to call upon if needed. The circus of the royal family continues despite it all.
I think the odious s k a n k Brooks at the Sun wants to be a Dame or Digger is nosing round for another 'Honour'...the sycophantic outpourings from a newspaper that gleefully wrote about t a m p o n gate is quite nauseating...the D M are as bad...and as my Grandfather once said...if a clown moves in to a Palace he doesn't become a King more that the Palace becomes a circus !
The truth will out...and as my Grandfather once said...if a clown moves in to a Palace he doesn't become a King more that the Palace becomes a circus ! The m s m have been positively fawning over the past two weeks BUT the fact is nobody apart from the stupid and duffers actually like this 'man'...and most of us would have preferred William and Kate...I think the Sun and the D M have been the most sycophantic...embarrassingly so.
What a ridiculous notion - all his cousins, are scheduled to along side him. My this journalist can't do her research very well. It's common knowledge.
The press complain that the monarchy is too big, so the monarchy slims down, now the press complain that the monarchy is too small. The press can't have it both ways!
As others have said, George will have his own family, and his siblings will as well. Right there, that's six adults between the heirs and their spouses. Not really much different from HMTQ having just her four children (with really only Charles and Anne doing much for most of those decades), their spouses, and children. Much ado about nothing.
And the problem is? Ever decreasing royal gravy train equals every increasingly happy believers in democracy.
My first thought on seeing the headline was 'oh get over yourself' but this article actually makes quite sobering reading.
I don't see the problem. A slimmed down monarchy simply will need to do less. Fewer patronages, fewer ribbons to cut, fewer dignitaries to receive. Spread more thinly, royal patronage and a royal presence will become even more valued and the royals will be able to focus on what is most important -- those things which unite the country and inspire pride in our culture, history and traditions. Great wisdom is needed to choose the right things to focus on.
For years the media has been saying that the monarchy was to big, too many hangers on etc. And now they have reduced numbers the media are still moaning.
The late Majesty, Queen Elizabeth, didn't choose Charles' team. He has in that picture his team. If something happens, and William must act as a boss, he can make his own choises. I think it's wonderful that the older members of the Royal family are surrounded by love, respect, and the work they still want to do.
It will be a lifetime away when George finally becomes king! What a silly thing to say! People don't live forever and roles get replaced for those that die!
When I see number of comments on articles about Harry, and that he have more comments than entire firm, everything is clear to me, Harry is the most popular in that firm, even he is not active.
My instinct has always felt William will not be king I'm probably completely wrong . KC is destroying the monarchy with woke though
i personally want young prince louie to be king, imagine him screaming all the time? going nuts? it would certaninly make the royals more fun again
Seriously? Who comes up with these stupid headlines? The human race is finished with its current average of 14 score IQ.
A lot of them are well past retirement age. Not fair that they're expected to work at such an age. Think Diana compared it to being worked like a cart horse. They're literally being worked to death. People like to think that the Royals are privileged but they are merely servants of the People.
Ive been saying this, there is plenty of work to go round. Princess Anne is phenomenal but her work load is at a killing pace. Thank god though that Harry and Meghan have gone, they were ruining the monarchy and its standards.
Bit thin for now but a whole new generation to come, I haven't got that long left and I am sure a lot of us are going to enjoy the royals children growing up.
Their late arrival to the Abbey? Does the author of this article really not know that the King arrived early, the Waleses on time?
A Presidency would have far fewer hangers on and would be far cheaper and less embarrassing. Oh and if we don't like them we can vote them out.
Being realistic, the only possible help will be from Lady Louise and The Earl of Wessex. The Kents children have their own careers, likewise the Gloucesters. Annes children are out of the frame, and thats about it. Thankfully I cant see either Beatrice or Eugenie being of much value, so it looks like poor William and Kate will be pretty done for physically and mentally by the end of their reign.
Yeah gee what could the answer be staring them in the face....solve all their problems at once.... What the DM & other UK media have done w Harry and Meghan, aided and abetted by the Royal Family, is effectively kill it. They have jettisoned the only 2 with charisma out of jealousy. So the Royal Family haven't done their job. Their job is to protect the institution. Once you introduce culture wars to the Royal Family, once you ignore the "family" part - it won't work. It was unpleasant to watch and the relentless abuse the couple take from the UK media is drearily ongoing. Yet - they were the only headline in the run up to it and on the day. Where they were - what they were or weren't doing. Therein lies the answer and the problem. Kate and Sophie, who the Mail claims "dazzle" and "stun" us are 41 and 60. Neither is a world class beauty. But they have one in the family. Wise up.
i personally spent the entire weekend shunning the shoddy royal farce and decided to talk to my kids about how princess meghan aka the nations sweetheart inspires hope and change. anyone notice that the royal had a swift rise in popularity when she appeared only to be hit by a new low now shes gone? she is the nations sweeheart, the peoples princess and like millions of others are willing her to be the next queen of britain. thank you.
The Queen had her first cousins , the Gloucesters and the Kents as well as her mother, her sister and her husband. Charles's first cousins are the Earl of Snowden and Lady Sarah Chatto. He could also recruit his neices Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenie and Lady Louise (legally also a Princess) .
It all went downhill when they started calling themselves Windsors and introduced the Brits and Americans into the bloodline. May as well declare a republic.
If they can just keep going for a couple of years they'll have Harry back when Meaghan moves on to the next man who can boost her career.
Not covering Harry's apology from Mirror Group for hacking him ? Odd you run several stories about him every day. what gives ?
There's loads of them. Ask Lady Louise and Lord Severn to help out. Zara and Tindell can help out. Beatrice and Eugenie. Plus their kids in decades to come. There are enough royals for all the events and charities. They just need to share the workload around.
Of course George will have plenty of help, he will be grown up by then as will his sister, brother, second cousins, spouses, other nobility who are just children now but won't stay children. What a nonene story.
Lets be honest, it is Charles and Mrs Parker Bowles who have brought the monarchy into ill repute with their tawdry behaviour over the past 30 years, and who will ever forget the infantile conversation of him wanting to be her t a m pax,just vile.
don't recall any serious movement in France, Germany or Italy calling for the return of their monarchy. Let's vote! And while we are at it, if the Scottish can vote for independence, why can't the English.
Let's get real here. The 'work' they do is really just advertising themselves at public events. It's not hard work and they could stop at any time they want - and not receive their generous funds from public taxpayers.
Charles is a weak, vain, selfish ninny who can't keep his nose out of politics.He was pathetically jealous of his first wife's popularity and he was a rubbish husband. If the royal family want to become cheerleaders for Net Zero and all in favour of their subjects having a poorer, colder, worse life then let's have a Republic, because none of us need more elitists telling us to eat locust burgers whilst tucking into red wine and steaks themselves!
The Fr0gs had the right idea on how to deal with their monarchy once for all, but now they've ended up with Macaron Napoleon IV, a pipsqueak who thinks he's the emperor of F rance. Was it worth it?
All supposition, You cant predict who what and when. For goodness sake , go spout your rubbish somewhere else.
The Royals are banking on the majority of the public not believing the people who know the truth about them. It won't last long. The old 'the bigger the lie the more they will believe it,' tactic just won't work for you anymore I'm afraid.
It will be a very long time before 9 year old George takes over if the monarchy is even still there.
All supposition, You cant predict who what and when. For goodness sake , go spout your rubbish somewhere else.
What a silly way of putting those numbers together, after the King and queen it should have gone in a straight line.
George has his great aunts and uncles and their children plus his siblings. The monarchy has survived for thousands of years don't you worry lol
I agree, it's been slimmed down too much! The BRF will need more working royals even before Prince George ascends the throne. Charles has a 2 siblings, his son , daughter in-law and relatives to add to his mix of a slimmed down monarchy. Don't mean to be rude but most of them are very old. William has now no sibling or cousins in the line up as working royals to be. I foresee the Cambridges needing more working royals to help before George even starts uni. Can't rely on his siblings, they may grow up to live lives outside royal duty.
One day, hopefully in yours and my lifetime, the world will know the depth of the lies from these people. It is truly shocking, trust me.
Do not blame Harry and Megan, the monarchy is NOT FLEXIBLE FOR MODERN TIMES. EUGINIE, BEATRICE, HARRY AND MEGAN, even Zara and Peter, could and should be given part time working royal roles. The monarchy is the one that wont do it. So they have old people, who no one really cares about seeing. The firm is not very bright when it comes to selling themselves.
Supporters are always saying Camilla was Charlies one true love. If that's so, would you not want to have a child with you're "one true love"? I would bet that Camillas children are actually Charlie's children. They were having an affair with each other throughout their marriages. AP Bowles was obviously just their wingman (he was invited to the coronation). Don't be surprised when Charlie starts dishing out titles, lordships etc etc to all his real "family" soon. I'm sure they will help out too, they already did so at the coronation.
It's amazing how much George looks more and more like Kate the older he gets. All three children were beautifully behaved and looked adorable.
To do WHAT exactly ? The term working royal is surely made in jest? They will also have fewer duties as more Commonwealth countries realize they don't want them
Bring in the Tindalls! Both Zara and Mike are personalities who pop, and they bring the SQ (Stuffiness Quotient) down 30 points. They would be a tremendous asset.
What a load of tosh! Plenty of younger royals available that I am sure would help if they are paid a salary, Beatrice, Eugenie, princess Anne's kids or they just do fewer engagements and, Charlotte, George and Louis will come of age and be supported by William and Catherine.
HOW STUPID IS IT TO HAVE A MONARCHY!! HOPEFULLY IN THE NEAR FUTURE THIS OUTDATED C**P WILL BE GONE FOR GOOD. I COULDN"T STOP LAUGHING AT ALL THEM PLAYING DRESS UP AND CARRIAGE RIDES THE PAST WEEKEND.
I said that the other day, that the majority of them will be in nursing homes in the next 5-10 years. It will just leave a working Royal family of 6. Cause George will be to young. There will be nobody left to help Charles if he lives as long as his parents never mind William or George.
Do all those ribbons really need to be cut? Hospitals open well without a minor royal saying it's now open. Still unsure why Edward and all the letters after his name and all those unearned medals was asked to open the brilliant Ashgate Hospice. I very much doubt he offered to help you n the kitchens or take the meals round.
The no shortage of royals to do work, only a shortage of " work" for royals to do. Unless you count unveiling and waving as work.
The family seems to have worked this out with the larger foundations - starting with Philip's Duke of Edinburgh Awards. And in any case, the Wales were not late so stop telling that lie.
Couldn't they have an equal number of republicans volunteer to attend the events for food and champagne and then compare the value added at the end of a year.
Charlie just inherited over 650 million pounds. He did not pay a penny in inheritance tax on this. I'm sure he can afford all the help required.
Very good points. At last someone is addressing this. Princess Alexandra has been retired for years, so there are only 9 working royals next to C&C in the photo. Even more pressing - who will be there to support the Waleses when the older generation is no longer there? In ten years, their children will only be 19, 18, and 15. W&C will have to enlist their cousins, or there will only be a few people to handle the over 3,000 patronages.
I think Princess Beatrice should have a role, if she wants it. She seems lovely and has never put a foot wrong. It's completely unfair to disqualify her because of her awful parents - quite the opposite in fact, as she seems to have turned out very well in the face of huge family difficulties. All of this applies equally to Eugenie, but I'm not sure if she would want the role given her loyalty to the Sussexes. But if so, I think Beatrice and Eugenie would be wonderful working royals. They seem so mature and well-behaved. And they were born princesses - what more could you want!
They should all do what Camilla does. Everytime she gets a tedious assignment she gets Covid and goes into hibernation.
Whether in the future it is a large or small "working" monarchy, it will be largely irrelevant. By the time Charles goes (if he has another 20 in him) all those teenagers and early 20 somethings of today who will be going into middle age as tax payers having had predominantly zero interest in monarchy all their lives, will be asking some petty searching questions as to what relevance or purpose do these people actually serve? My 'boomer' generation who are their core remaining 'fan' base will be all but gone and then who will they have left in favour of continuance? Whilst people tend to be more conservative with age, they do not become more deferential; indeed quite the reverse. It is all on borrowed time now QE2 is no more and no matter how much juggling Charles does.
there's a major flaw in this as you say 'excluding Wales and Edinburgh, well that cuts out the 4 people who will help george- his 2 siblings and 2 cousins all on his level. by leaving them out you're article becomes meaning less. It's like writing 'there's nothing to stop the north koreans from taking the whole peninsula, so long as you don't mention the US and south Korean armies.
I ve always liked Princess Beatrice and as the eldest daughter of a Duke I feel she would really contribute to a role in royal life I believe shes also close to the King too
"To date, the Waleses appear to have approached their increased workload with dedication and ease"... Workload? Sorry. You've lost me there.
I'm still absolutely FUMING that Harry and Meghan were cynically edited out of the Royal Coronation group photograph. It's blatant discrimination, pure and simple.
I would bet that Camillas children are actually Charlie's children. They were having an affair with each other throughout their marriages. AP Bowles was obviously just their wingman (he was invited to the coronation). Don't be surprised when Charlie starts dishing out titles, lordships etc etc to all his real "family" soon. I'm sure they will all help out. They already did at the coronation.
FGS George is only 9 years old - things may look very different when he becomes king - William has yet to become king - hopefully not for another 20 years or so.
It's SOMEWHAT a shame (I know - I know - not everyone will agree) that Bea and Euge have been placed in the chiller. They are loyal to the crown and could help out a lot. But their dad sort of ruined THAT for them. And M just plain ruined a lot as well. Always having to be mindful of her lurking in the background and so you have a lot of hand wringing as a result. If only.....
The duke and Duchess of Edinburgh have two fine children, I'm sure they will do their duty just as their parents do.
It does seem that the Wales and the Cambridges may have to bear a heavier burden given the ages of the others. Perhaps Beatrice should be considered as a possibility. Not sure about Eugenie and her loyalty.
Okay, so he has a brother and a sister. By the time he takes the throne, he will be married with his own children and will have nephews and nieces. Failing that his great-uncles and aunt have families - so there's a big pool to draw from (without going anywhere near his uncle and that awful actress)
What rot. Families grow, marriages are made and children born. If ALL the people currently described as "Royal Family" are retained as such, before long there will be so many, they'd fill Westminster Cathedral on their own. There has to be a "slimming down" every so often. At least we don't have the historical methods (usually involving blood and burials) any more.
No one left to help George? Surely he'll have his siblings? Even his parents will be getting on if not deceased so who do you suggest helps him?
Sweet Cherry Pie, London, United Kingdom, moments ago
There will be plenty of hangers on who will lend a hand. The RF s a business and its too rich to go under